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things you want to grow and starve the

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things that gotta go and we will reach

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the promised land think about that and

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in the 1930s president franklin delano

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roosevelt addressed the nation through a

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series of radio broadcasts known as the

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fireside chats his aim was to reassure

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the common man that our society would

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recover from its troubled times well

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we're far from 1930 and i deal with a

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different kind of fire for a new era of

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worldly frustration we offer a fresh

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conversation i'm greg carlwood and these

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are the higher side chats

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it's a beautiful day in the neighborhood

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higher side chatters doing the thing

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from sunny san diego i'm greg carlwood

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and anyone who's got even the most basic

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understanding of history knows that

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empires and the indigenous people in the

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way of their expansion efforts do not

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mix well

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oftentimes the people who don't speak

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the language or even understand the

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mindset of the hostile invader stand

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little chance as they're intentionally

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infected with disease steamrolled with

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new policies and procedures pushed to

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the margins of their ancestral lands and

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systematically abused in ways that are

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hard to even talk about

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today it's commonly held wishful

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thinking to assume the high level

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benefactors of empire and the archon

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controlled predator class no longer

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employ these tactics or operate from

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such a mindset

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yet we are in the midst of a global

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injection campaign a dismantling of

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medical autonomy cultural segregation

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and movement management based on our

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compliance to the empire's experts so it

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doesn't seem all that different to me

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and probably not to today's guest darren

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grimes either we all know darren is one

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half of the canadian podcasting

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powerhouse that is gramerica but he's

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also just finished writing his first

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book entitled a canadian shame the

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indian act and residential schools

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it's a much needed look at how the

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native people of canada were treated by

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the invaders and how the

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multi-generational effects of this

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darkness are still felt today

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and given the recent uncovering of

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several mass graves near these old

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residential schools the timing couldn't

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be better

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happy to have him here to talk about it

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my canadian podcasting colleague of the

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north and freshly minted author

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extraordinaire darren my man welcome

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hey greg thanks for having me always

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good to be back on the higher side

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yes this is awesome congrats on getting

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the book done not an easy thing to do

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when i saw the title a canadian shame i

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thought oh i guess he wrote a book about

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his co-host graham

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i thought about it i mean i promised

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grandma wouldn't pick on him too much

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during this interview but we gotta pick

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on him a little bit i mean he just found

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out he used to be a super soldier

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and uh was on the mars 20 and back or

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whatever i mean this is he's got a lot

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of that on his plate right now he's just

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found out this week so he's dealing with

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i'm sure can help him go through the

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motions and get his life back together

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he's probably 150 years old now with all

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the regression that happens

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thoughts and prayers for sure

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that's all we can do maybe we'll change

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our twitter avatars for him for a couple

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of days amen yes yes

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but i kid i could i love graham but

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let me just ask you how things are in

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general canada is one of those countries

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where it seems like the coveted policies

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are on the harsher side but i did hear

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you say somewhere that you're really not

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that concerned because canada is so

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spread out that they really don't have

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the manpower to enforce the things that

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they might want to and i thought that

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was a pretty good point but how are you

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guys holding up these days and dealing

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with all the craziness

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man alberta it seemed like and i don't

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know if it was by design or not but it

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seems like i mean

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our premier's at doofus i really have a

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hard time believing that he's part of

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some any sort of cabal and we were like

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almost out of it we were almost out of

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it we had this date set for i think it

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was august 16th

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or something like that no it was like

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august 23rd and everything was going to

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be over the only way to get a test after

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that which i think is the biggest thing

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of all

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they were going to change it so instead

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of being able to just go through this

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drive through testing thing which now is

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still here

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but they had said this was all going to

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end as of august 23rd if you want to

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cover test you're going to need to go

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get a prescription so either going to

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call your doctor get a prescription or

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if you don't want to do that you have to

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go to the hospital

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which i think just those couple of

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barriers to entry rate there

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would probably have cut everything back

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and then along with that we were ending

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all quarantine requirements now i

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haven't looked into it because i don't

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live in saskatchewan but

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they had said the same thing and i don't

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know if they've stuck with it or not but

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basically the health authorities

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authorities i even hate saying that but

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had come out and said you know it's time

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to start treating this as endemic

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pandemic and it's time to just let

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adults make adult decisions and people

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make you know when you're sick don't go

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to school you don't need a test to say

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that when you're sick don't go to work

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when you're sick don't go to school

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don't go to walmart don't go out to the

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restaurant all that stuff don't do that

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[\h__\h] when you're sick which

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i mean maybe some of us got lazy on that

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maybe this has been a little bit of a

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reminder of that but i mean here's the

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thing that really i think hits at home

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is canada had enough money to give

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everyone some cash

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and i get to finish that thought because

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we are far from out of this they ended

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up extending that

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until september sometime it was supposed

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there's a news conference today that i

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missed it's probably still going on

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he was already screaming at unvaccinated

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people saying we're the worst

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and he started offering to pay people a

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hundred dollars a shot

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to go get the shot

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so i think we're the first people to

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actually offer

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cold hard cash

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to just go get your shots right outside

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of the lottery system that we've had a

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million dollars

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we just had a draw the other day for a

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million bucks too and we've got another

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one coming up and i actually entered the

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draw

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so we'll cross that bridge if i win yeah

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i mean maybe if they'll give me the

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million bucks to take the shot right

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there maybe i'll consider it i mean

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that'd be a tough one right a million

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bucks cash right there it would be a

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tough one that'd be a tough call right

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that's a tougher call than a hundred

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bucks for sure 100 bucks is a no-brainer

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but a million bucks dude i'd have to

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think about that right it's going to be

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a life-changing vaccine one way or

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another either way

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maybe on both ends maybe hopefully only

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on one end but

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so we did all that but even at the end

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of the day what we still don't have

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paid sick leave

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and now

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i'm not a proponent say of government

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intervening on that level i'm definitely

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not a proponent of the government

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telling me

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or greg

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that you need to pay your employees two

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weeks to stay home when they get sick

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but hey for all the money the

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government's got and it's thrown around

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anyway how is that not a thing yet how

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is that not our number one

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thing right now is if you're sick stay

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home i mean we had it set up so that you

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could just click on your online stuff

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and you'd have two grand within three

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days or you'd have your unemployment

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money within three days so we can't

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figure out a system there that you know

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janet gets sick she doesn't want to go

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to work but janet's also a single mom

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and she lives paycheck to paycheck and

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she gets paid hourly because this is a

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situation that

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you know sometimes we forget that half

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the world is it

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but you know in canada where we're

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fairly down the road of socialism

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already we got the free health care i

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mean you'd think you'd save health care

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money there just you could probably save

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that on the back end just by taking it

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out of the health care budget paying

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people to stay home when they're sick

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but i think the fact that two years into

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coven or whatever it is

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we still don't have that in canada

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we have like all these other things but

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we still won't pay you to stay home if

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you're sick

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unless you're quarantined and guaranteed

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to have covet so

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i mean that's the kind of the jig is up

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on that one but it looks like alberta's

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slipping right back into it i mean we'll

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see how harsh it is we've been lucky

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in alberta because our police here

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haven't enforced it at all the alberta

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rcmp from the get-go basically

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publicly said they weren't interested in

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what people were doing

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with their private lives so we on the

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outside it looked like we had harsh

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mandates here probably some of the

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harshest because i think from december

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until may or something like that april

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or may

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they basically said

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you can't have anyone you can't hang out

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with anyone outside

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and you can't hang out with anyone

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inside

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no hanging out with anyone period the

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restaurants were closed

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all that but

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then they had this thing where if you

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were a single mom or stuff like that

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you're allowed to have if you didn't

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live with anyone all of a sudden you

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were allowed to have a couple of cohorts

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so but i mean i was just sort of doing

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whatever i wanted the whole time we had

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a couple of barbecues over here

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and nothing ever happened as far as i

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know

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not a lot of that was enforced

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but i mean the restaurant people took a

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[\h__\h] beating

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yeah you're taking a beating again

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already i mean just closing that [\h__\h] at

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10 o'clock

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sucks to people who want to go out and

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party and stuff like that but i mean

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there's just a shitload of people that

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just lost their income again yeah really

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so i mean we're still at

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the average age in alberta of people

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that have died or are hospitalized

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because of covid as per the government

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website

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is 80 years old

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the average life expectancy

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for alberta is 81.

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so to shut down the entire economy

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because this is happening seems

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i don't know i mean i just got called a

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nazi on twitter again

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because i stated that because they're

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having a big scare thing i i actually

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quoted on jason kenny's

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stupid little press conference tweet

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that you know the average age

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someone is hospitalized for covet is 80

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and the average life expectancy is 81.

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that's as far as i'm concerned that

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those are the only stats you need to

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know i don't want old people to die i'm

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not saying that's fine but we need to

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look at this with some context here how

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many of the people that we saved last

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year

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yes that's the ultimate question

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i mean people that we're shutting down

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to save aren't going to see the end of

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kovat anyway for other reasons i mean it

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sucks but

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i mean his quarrels was god not with me

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right right for me it's just the the

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biggest issue is

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hearing from a lot more people that are

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seeing the sadness catch up to them the

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isolation the uncertainty all the stress

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the splitting of friend groups and that

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sort of thing

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and it's all right to be sad for a bit

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but the only path forward that i see is

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building new networks making new friends

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getting

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out there and finding the others as they

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say you know

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that's one way i guess guys like us were

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blessed

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yes because we're like

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we live in the rabbit hole

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so i mean it's mostly rabbits down here

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it's not bad you know i mean there's

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very few

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if i don't go online i don't really see

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it at all there's some places at work i

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have to wear a mask honestly in the

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beginning i kicked up a fuss about it

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now i'm just like we're way past that

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hill you know what i mean all right you

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should get one of sofia small storms

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masks because they're cheese cloth and

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they look like a regular mask but you

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can breathe through them just fine

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so you know if you got to wear it for

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multiple hours a day i have found that

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to be

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a really great tool my wife wanted to go

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back to missouri to announce that she

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was pregnant and i wasn't going to put

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her on an airplane with restricted

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breathing so i hit up sophia to get one

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of those and she said it helped a lot

404
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she's thousand yeah she makes them and

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she sells them i'll send me the link

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after and i'll order some of those i

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have this little plastic chin thing

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that holds a little plastic guard out

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it's a little tiny thing too it's like

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it's basically like your face mask but

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it's a clear plastic thing and there's a

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little thing that goes in your chin

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holds it like three inches out

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that works at the grocery store and all

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those places i mean people look at you

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funny

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but like the planes and that they're

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like no no no no no you gotta

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you gotta take that off

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right so i definitely wanna start

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talking about the book but i guess the

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last covid related thing i would ask you

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about is

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the vaccine and where you guys are with

425
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thinking about it as like how dangerous

426
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is it really like what are some of your

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guests saying the people you trust the

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people you think make the best case i

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mean i'm hearing people say that it's a

430
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death sentence that in three to five

431
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years everyone who got it will be gone i

432
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think that's a little hyperbolic to me

433
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the biggest group of people is people

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who get coveted are fine or people who

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get the vaccine and are fine like in

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either case i think we're talking about

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10

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who are really gonna be lifelong

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affected and i don't know i'm just i i

440
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tend to think that like we get

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hyperbolic in the alternative community

442
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and the reality is that the vast

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majority of people who take childhood

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vaccines or this are probably still

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going to be fine at least i have to tell

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myself that because i know too many damn

447
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people have gotten it but what do you

448
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think

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things look like with the vaccinated

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over the next uh couple of years based

451
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on the people you've been talking to

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i agree that i mean

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maybe they do but i think that's a

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little harsh that everybody's [\h__\h]

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i don't do blackpill i'm really not

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super interested in entertaining that

457
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because

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i'm a magician

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we're all magicians on a certain level

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so you got to be careful with that kind

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of stuff you got to kind of be aware but

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not dwell on it

463
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it's a scary time though man i mean

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i know

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a whack of people that have got it and

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they're fine

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like completely fine no nothing

468
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people that

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i work with high level construction

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people

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like the high level

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sorts of people in it that are on the

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ball you know when you're meeting with

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them they're on the ball

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and they're still on the ball

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but i also know people close to me that

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are still on the ball

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but they got a joint thing

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because maybe that you know it started

480
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with the finger was aching and now it's

481
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all your joints sometimes go on you and

482
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they're all just sort of aching and it's

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sort of and these are people that maybe

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had some childhood this or that you know

485
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maybe some autoimmune issues already

486
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that's what i think the biggest thing is

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going to be yeah

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seems to be an autoimmune trigger that

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on the best case scenario it's the same

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as a childhood vaccine

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on some level

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the problem is you're taking it from

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four million people a year

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you know four to six million people a

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year getting the childhood vaccines

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to

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what a billion yeah

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it's some insane number at this point

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right it's hundreds and hundreds and

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hundreds of millions i mean even at one

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in ten thousand that starts to get crazy

502
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guys like you and i know it's not one

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and ten thousand it's a lot higher than

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that

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but it's not one and one i don't think i

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mean

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i don't know do you think they'd be that

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my thought is that

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the population problems that they're

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talking about are usually

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in the third world not in the first

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world but they have maybe they've gotten

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to the point where they want to replace

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us with

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people that want to listen or not you

516
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know i don't know right but it seems

517
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like there's easier ways to do that at

518
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the same time

519
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than this whole thing you know what i

520
00:18:04,630 --> 00:18:02,320
mean like you could have just released a

521
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real bug then mm-hmm

522
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the other problem is i don't know what

523
00:18:10,310 --> 00:18:08,400
to believe these days right it's like

524
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weird new world where

525
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stuff graham's telling me and stuff i'm

526
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hearing from the alternative community

527
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and stuff i'm i'm hearing from podcasts

528
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and the stuff i'm seeing on the news and

529
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on the msm i mean it's all just there's

530
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so much [\h__\h] on the walls now it's

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pretty hard to see what's going on at

532
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this point so it's just like

533
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i don't know

534
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but my hope is that it's just like

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pharma greed

536
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yeah yeah i think that i also do think

537
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that they are obsessed with managing the

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planet and they do have in the back of

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their minds that they're doing something

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good and they have to preserve the

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system and i think automation is a big

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thing on their minds and so if they're

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thinking oh we can just take out 20 of

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the useless eaters

545
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i really think that's a thing that they

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would entertain in these think tanks

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because they would see it as well

548
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with automation there's going to be so

549
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many people without jobs and what are we

550
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going to do with all these people these

551
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drains on the system let's call them a

552
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little bit so the timing with automation

553
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does make me think that that's a little

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bit in the mindset

555
00:19:23,350 --> 00:19:21,520
but there's a lot of as you say crazy

556
00:19:25,750 --> 00:19:23,360
things going on in the alternative

557
00:19:27,669 --> 00:19:25,760
community graphene oxide it seems to be

558
00:19:29,590 --> 00:19:27,679
a component of

559
00:19:31,830 --> 00:19:29,600
the vaccines and i think it's a real

560
00:19:34,230 --> 00:19:31,840
blessing for us that they're now going

561
00:19:37,430 --> 00:19:34,240
with boosters and third shots

562
00:19:40,230 --> 00:19:37,440
because it seems like you're never gonna

563
00:19:41,750 --> 00:19:40,240
be fully vaccinated as they say with

564
00:19:42,549 --> 00:19:41,760
just two shots

565
00:19:45,350 --> 00:19:42,559
so

566
00:19:48,310 --> 00:19:45,360
if people are all across the spectrum

567
00:19:50,150 --> 00:19:48,320
from zero shots to the most up-to-date

568
00:19:52,630 --> 00:19:50,160
recommendations whatever they end up

569
00:19:53,669 --> 00:19:52,640
being i mean there's a lot of variance

570
00:19:56,070 --> 00:19:53,679
in there

571
00:19:59,669 --> 00:19:56,080
and so when you start restricting rights

572
00:20:01,909 --> 00:19:59,679
based on who's fully vaccinated well

573
00:20:04,630 --> 00:20:01,919
now a lot of people who have two shots

574
00:20:07,350 --> 00:20:04,640
and me now are in the same category and

575
00:20:09,750 --> 00:20:07,360
i like that i think that that works for

576
00:20:11,350 --> 00:20:09,760
for our benefit the more people in the

577
00:20:13,350 --> 00:20:11,360
club even those who've already gotten

578
00:20:15,590 --> 00:20:13,360
vaccinated when they move the goal post

579
00:20:17,669 --> 00:20:15,600
and people decide that they've just had

580
00:20:19,270 --> 00:20:17,679
it they're not going to comply anymore

581
00:20:20,789 --> 00:20:19,280
i think that's going to help us out a

582
00:20:21,909 --> 00:20:20,799
lot and

583
00:20:24,950 --> 00:20:21,919
one of the

584
00:20:26,390 --> 00:20:24,960
darker stranger things that is being

585
00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:26,400
talked about is

586
00:20:31,750 --> 00:20:29,520
technocracy and this move to push people

587
00:20:34,950 --> 00:20:31,760
to digital spaces that are highly

588
00:20:38,310 --> 00:20:34,960
controlled and make the physical body

589
00:20:40,950 --> 00:20:38,320
uncomfortable and make people desire to

590
00:20:42,950 --> 00:20:40,960
live in these digital spaces it starts

591
00:20:44,630 --> 00:20:42,960
to sound like ready player one if you've

592
00:20:47,430 --> 00:20:44,640
seen the movie like everybody's in

593
00:20:49,830 --> 00:20:47,440
poverty and filth and they just want to

594
00:20:50,950 --> 00:20:49,840
get that headset on and escape to the

595
00:20:53,350 --> 00:20:50,960
game

596
00:20:55,270 --> 00:20:53,360
that to me seems like a real possibility

597
00:20:58,149 --> 00:20:55,280
of where things are going and

598
00:21:01,430 --> 00:20:58,159
maybe these routine shots having to

599
00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:01,440
continually get re-upped i mean

600
00:21:06,310 --> 00:21:03,760
potentially it is one of those things

601
00:21:08,950 --> 00:21:06,320
that pushes people to be more of a

602
00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:08,960
chimera more of a

603
00:21:13,270 --> 00:21:11,280
digital friendly

604
00:21:15,350 --> 00:21:13,280
body rather than one that's kind of in

605
00:21:17,909 --> 00:21:15,360
tune with the natural world and gets

606
00:21:20,470 --> 00:21:17,919
people further and further away from the

607
00:21:22,310 --> 00:21:20,480
natural space a lot of crazy stuff being

608
00:21:24,630 --> 00:21:22,320
talked about but i could see some of

609
00:21:27,909 --> 00:21:24,640
these things circling around the mindset

610
00:21:30,070 --> 00:21:27,919
of the archon controlled elite and i

611
00:21:31,750 --> 00:21:30,080
just think all you can do is uh keep it

612
00:21:34,230 --> 00:21:31,760
all at bay and as you say we're

613
00:21:37,110 --> 00:21:34,240
magicians so the mindset it's got got to

614
00:21:39,750 --> 00:21:37,120
be kind of important to keep it positive

615
00:21:41,990 --> 00:21:39,760
well i definitely think the time to like

616
00:21:43,110 --> 00:21:42,000
like i said i've given up on the mask

617
00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:43,120
battle

618
00:21:46,149 --> 00:21:44,480
and i mean i'm kind of at the point

619
00:21:47,909 --> 00:21:46,159
where like jumping up and down about not

620
00:21:49,909 --> 00:21:47,919
being vaccinated doesn't seem like such

621
00:21:52,390 --> 00:21:49,919
a hot idea anymore either like it's time

622
00:21:54,070 --> 00:21:52,400
to shut the [\h__\h] up and fight it you

623
00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:54,080
know i'm not complying graham's like

624
00:21:57,669 --> 00:21:55,360
well that's compliant i'm like no it's

625
00:21:59,669 --> 00:21:57,679
not you know what i mean i got my papers

626
00:22:01,510 --> 00:21:59,679
just in case

627
00:22:04,230 --> 00:22:01,520
but i mean

628
00:22:06,070 --> 00:22:04,240
how i got them that remains to be seen

629
00:22:07,750 --> 00:22:06,080
i'm not vaccinated

630
00:22:09,029 --> 00:22:07,760
but i've got papers that say yeah i mean

631
00:22:11,029 --> 00:22:09,039
the problem becomes when there's three

632
00:22:12,710 --> 00:22:11,039
four five and six of those

633
00:22:14,230 --> 00:22:12,720
how do you keep up but i mean then it

634
00:22:16,070 --> 00:22:14,240
becomes

635
00:22:18,390 --> 00:22:16,080
i mean are they pushing us to want to

636
00:22:20,470 --> 00:22:18,400
just give in to that digital system so

637
00:22:21,909 --> 00:22:20,480
that you just scram your qr code every

638
00:22:23,909 --> 00:22:21,919
time you get a new shot so they know

639
00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:23,919
who's up to date and

640
00:22:28,070 --> 00:22:26,400
i mean i guess the hope is that i'm not

641
00:22:30,549 --> 00:22:28,080
the hope even but i feel like we're

642
00:22:33,430 --> 00:22:30,559
close to getting a wake-up call on on

643
00:22:35,430 --> 00:22:33,440
how fragile the whole thing is and maybe

644
00:22:36,310 --> 00:22:35,440
put all this into some real context

645
00:22:38,230 --> 00:22:36,320
mm-hmm

646
00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:38,240
yeah whether that's something with china

647
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:39,600
or something else but it starts to look

648
00:22:43,990 --> 00:22:41,520
weird when you see places like russia

649
00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:44,000
and china banning this thing right

650
00:22:48,789 --> 00:22:46,640
yes very curious

651
00:22:50,230 --> 00:22:48,799
i mean it's a weird world i mean and to

652
00:22:52,310 --> 00:22:50,240
bring it back to the book it's

653
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:52,320
interesting timing in that regard too i

654
00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:53,520
mean we're were

655
00:22:57,510 --> 00:22:55,760
were less than 100 years removed from

656
00:22:59,270 --> 00:22:57,520
indians needing to pass before they

657
00:23:01,669 --> 00:22:59,280
could leave their reserve

658
00:23:03,510 --> 00:23:01,679
right so you've got a designated section

659
00:23:05,190 --> 00:23:03,520
of land that you can't leave without

660
00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:05,200
having a pass in your hand this is in

661
00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:09,520
[\h__\h] early 1900s very hard to enforce

662
00:23:12,789 --> 00:23:10,960
but now

663
00:23:14,070 --> 00:23:12,799
easy to enforce right i mean we're

664
00:23:15,669 --> 00:23:14,080
getting to the point where we're going

665
00:23:16,950 --> 00:23:15,679
to agree to have all our money on our

666
00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:16,960
phones and they'll just be able to say

667
00:23:20,230 --> 00:23:18,960
well this doesn't work anymore if you're

668
00:23:21,750 --> 00:23:20,240
farther than

669
00:23:27,029 --> 00:23:21,760
this

670
00:23:28,470 --> 00:23:27,039
right that's the kind of thing i try to

671
00:23:30,470 --> 00:23:28,480
point out to

672
00:23:33,110 --> 00:23:30,480
conventional thinking friends all the

673
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:33,120
time that eugenics is not a dead

674
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:34,559
philosophy

675
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:37,120
we are not that far from

676
00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:39,360
a lot of the things that you know people

677
00:23:44,470 --> 00:23:40,559
think

678
00:23:46,710 --> 00:23:44,480
can trust these authorities they can

679
00:23:48,549 --> 00:23:46,720
trust this medical system so i try to

680
00:23:51,190 --> 00:23:48,559
highlight all the times that the medical

681
00:23:53,350 --> 00:23:51,200
system has abused people

682
00:23:54,789 --> 00:23:53,360
and when you hear bill gates saying oh

683
00:23:56,549 --> 00:23:54,799
we got to get the shot in the arms of

684
00:23:57,669 --> 00:23:56,559
the black and brown people first i mean

685
00:24:00,149 --> 00:23:57,679
that should be

686
00:24:02,549 --> 00:24:00,159
the easiest thing to see through the

687
00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:02,559
biggest red flag if you think bill gates

688
00:24:06,870 --> 00:24:04,400
that's his priority really

689
00:24:08,390 --> 00:24:06,880
i mean why is he getting kicked out of

690
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:08,400
these third world countries with his

691
00:24:11,909 --> 00:24:10,080
vaccine campaigns

692
00:24:14,310 --> 00:24:11,919
uh yeah but we could talk about it all

693
00:24:15,350 --> 00:24:14,320
day let's let's move on and get into the

694
00:24:17,510 --> 00:24:15,360
book a bit

695
00:24:20,070 --> 00:24:17,520
i guess a good place to start is really

696
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:20,080
with your own history and background and

697
00:24:23,590 --> 00:24:22,320
why this book was an important one for

698
00:24:25,510 --> 00:24:23,600
you to write

699
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:25,520
well honestly i was like

700
00:24:29,269 --> 00:24:27,360
i didn't grow up on the reserve i am a

701
00:24:33,909 --> 00:24:29,279
registered indian from the michigan

702
00:24:38,230 --> 00:24:33,919
gaming band ojibwe nation in ontario

703
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:38,240
also ojibwe some people call anishinabe

704
00:24:42,710 --> 00:24:40,000
so the book kind of was one of those

705
00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:42,720
weird things i wasn't really

706
00:24:47,350 --> 00:24:44,400
thinking about it but i mean over the

707
00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:47,360
last so i grew up i grew up off reserve

708
00:24:51,669 --> 00:24:49,760
in ontario i wasn't very close i didn't

709
00:24:54,070 --> 00:24:51,679
grow up with my dad in my life so i was

710
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:54,080
i was very detached from that whole side

711
00:24:57,990 --> 00:24:55,520
of things

712
00:25:02,870 --> 00:24:58,000
i grew up in the 80s and 90s in a mining

713
00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:02,880
town in ontario where the population was

714
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:04,320
probably you know there's still a lot of

715
00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:06,480
that

716
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:10,080
hostile sort of or residual racism i

717
00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:12,000
guess left over from

718
00:25:16,630 --> 00:25:14,000
everything that's going on and and what

719
00:25:18,789 --> 00:25:16,640
you have in my hometown is also a lot of

720
00:25:20,149 --> 00:25:18,799
homeless and for a town of five or six

721
00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:20,159
thousand people

722
00:25:23,029 --> 00:25:21,200
you'd think there's not a lot of

723
00:25:25,590 --> 00:25:23,039
homelessness

724
00:25:27,909 --> 00:25:25,600
but there's a lot of homeless natives

725
00:25:29,669 --> 00:25:27,919
in my hometown older on the streets

726
00:25:32,070 --> 00:25:29,679
drunk all the time

727
00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:32,080
and even myself growing up you have no

728
00:25:36,390 --> 00:25:34,000
idea why you know it's just like what's

729
00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:36,400
going on here so you get that it's just

730
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:38,400
their fault and and all that sort of

731
00:25:42,230 --> 00:25:40,559
thing starts happening and that causes

732
00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:42,240
more sort of weird trauma when you're an

733
00:25:45,510 --> 00:25:44,480
indian growing up in that environment

734
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:45,520
and

735
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:48,000
anyway it wasn't until i had kids

736
00:25:51,909 --> 00:25:49,520
and it's funny enough i went through a

737
00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:51,919
bunch of alcoholism and stuff like that

738
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:53,520
in my 20s

739
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:54,880
and came out the other side of it

740
00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:56,960
luckily not everyone does

741
00:26:01,990 --> 00:25:59,520
i had my kids and i pulled out of it

742
00:26:03,990 --> 00:26:02,000
and as my kids got older it started to

743
00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:04,000
seem more of an important thing as i got

744
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:06,320
back into hunting and stuff like that of

745
00:26:11,669 --> 00:26:08,400
course some hunting rights come along

746
00:26:14,230 --> 00:26:11,679
with that so that kind of the hunting

747
00:26:16,149 --> 00:26:14,240
and the fishing got me sort of facing

748
00:26:18,390 --> 00:26:16,159
off with

749
00:26:20,789 --> 00:26:18,400
conservation officers a little more over

750
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:20,799
the last few years you know with them

751
00:26:25,990 --> 00:26:23,440
trying to tell me i can't fish here i

752
00:26:28,470 --> 00:26:26,000
shouldn't be doing that and i'm very

753
00:26:30,549 --> 00:26:28,480
abrasive in that sense where you know

754
00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:30,559
let's have that conversation and

755
00:26:34,149 --> 00:26:32,480
and i won most of those conversations

756
00:26:36,070 --> 00:26:34,159
i'm pretty good at retaining information

757
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:36,080
and stuff like that so i'll kind of read

758
00:26:41,830 --> 00:26:38,640
through things to see where we stand

759
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:41,840
and then as covet got going

760
00:26:47,430 --> 00:26:45,840
i started using some of those rights

761
00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:47,440
to travel

762
00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:49,760
because i've got an into the usa with

763
00:26:53,430 --> 00:26:52,000
the card whether i'm boxed or not like

764
00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:53,440
i'll be driving down the stage here in a

765
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:55,120
couple of weeks and

766
00:26:58,149 --> 00:26:56,640
there's nothing that's funny because no

767
00:26:59,909 --> 00:26:58,159
one else is driving to the states right

768
00:27:01,909 --> 00:26:59,919
now so i get to cut into the trucker

769
00:27:04,149 --> 00:27:01,919
line and stuff like that but

770
00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:04,159
i mean that's kind of what got me down

771
00:27:09,110 --> 00:27:06,480
the road of looking at things and the

772
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:09,120
current climate of how everything is

773
00:27:12,789 --> 00:27:10,320
going on

774
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:12,799
and then they started finding the bodies

775
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:15,120
earlier this year

776
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:18,000
and you start talking to people and

777
00:27:23,269 --> 00:27:20,960
nobody really like none of my friends

778
00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:23,279
that really know anything about it they

779
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:24,640
don't know what a residential school is

780
00:27:28,789 --> 00:27:26,080
and i didn't know what most of that was

781
00:27:30,789 --> 00:27:28,799
either five or ten years ago

782
00:27:32,389 --> 00:27:30,799
but you start learning about it and you

783
00:27:35,269 --> 00:27:32,399
start trying to bring it up and there

784
00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:35,279
was just so many misconceptions

785
00:27:39,750 --> 00:27:37,840
from people that you know aren't racist

786
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:39,760
they're people i'm friends with people i

787
00:27:43,990 --> 00:27:41,760
hang out with people i work with but

788
00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:44,000
they just they have no idea

789
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:45,520
because there's no education of it

790
00:27:49,510 --> 00:27:47,520
there's no education of it and me

791
00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:49,520
growing up you know basically on indian

792
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:51,279
land are very close to it the only

793
00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:52,720
reason it wasn't indian land is because

794
00:27:56,630 --> 00:27:54,320
there was gold there

795
00:27:59,190 --> 00:27:56,640
so it was sort of taken over but a huge

796
00:28:01,029 --> 00:27:59,200
indian population there and there's just

797
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:01,039
you know we don't even grow up as far as

798
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:03,600
we grow up you know the americans they

799
00:28:08,549 --> 00:28:06,240
had their wars with the indians bad

800
00:28:10,549 --> 00:28:08,559
we all became friends up here it was all

801
00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:10,559
it was all fine yes that is the

802
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:12,480
conventional kind of thought

803
00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:13,919
yeah so

804
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:16,480
it kind of hit in june that it was like

805
00:28:21,669 --> 00:28:18,720
okay well all this information is there

806
00:28:23,990 --> 00:28:21,679
it's all publicly available

807
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:24,000
i mean really the book is probably

808
00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:25,760
80

809
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:28,640
or 85 percent isn't written by me

810
00:28:30,870 --> 00:28:29,440
it's

811
00:28:34,230 --> 00:28:30,880
public domain

812
00:28:37,029 --> 00:28:34,240
information whether it's old reports

813
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:37,039
excerpts from the government website

814
00:28:43,269 --> 00:28:40,320
stuff from the truth and reconciliation

815
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:43,279
commission that took place in from 2008

816
00:28:47,909 --> 00:28:46,080
to 2015 they generated just thousands of

817
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:47,919
pages of reports that

818
00:28:52,149 --> 00:28:49,919
so all this information is there it's

819
00:28:53,830 --> 00:28:52,159
all readily available but what i noticed

820
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:53,840
over the last few years is even when i

821
00:28:57,430 --> 00:28:55,440
want to look for it

822
00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:57,440
it's hard to find

823
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:58,960
you know it's like you're not just

824
00:29:03,190 --> 00:29:00,720
punching into google and hears ding ding

825
00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:03,200
ding ding and then the thing that really

826
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:05,520
triggered me was what i went on this

827
00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:07,679
year and i went to start looking for the

828
00:29:14,070 --> 00:29:09,760
old versions of the indian act which

829
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:14,080
originally came into place in 1876

830
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:15,679
and you go on the government of canada

831
00:29:21,669 --> 00:29:19,200
website and it does not exist the

832
00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:21,679
earliest rendition of the indian act

833
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:23,039
that you can find on the canadian

834
00:29:29,669 --> 00:29:26,559
government website is 1985 currently

835
00:29:31,510 --> 00:29:29,679
there might be a 1951 hidden there

836
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:31,520
somewhere but if there is i haven't been

837
00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:33,840
able to find it the only place i've been

838
00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:36,880
able to find anything pre

839
00:29:42,070 --> 00:29:40,799
1985 is actually on first nations

840
00:29:45,590 --> 00:29:42,080
websites

841
00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:45,600
so you know there's 650 bands in canada

842
00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:48,240
and a few of them have decent websites

843
00:29:51,669 --> 00:29:50,159
some of them have worse websites some of

844
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:51,679
them don't have websites at all but some

845
00:29:54,470 --> 00:29:53,279
of the ones that have a bigger web

846
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:54,480
presence

847
00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:56,720
have got you know all of these acts in

848
00:29:59,830 --> 00:29:58,880
their entirety and pdf and stuff like

849
00:30:03,269 --> 00:29:59,840
that

850
00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:03,279
thing for me and it took me a while i

851
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:05,520
actually didn't find the pdf on some of

852
00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:07,679
these other websites until i was well

853
00:30:13,269 --> 00:30:10,559
down the road of researching the book

854
00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:13,279
so all i could find for the indian act

855
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:14,880
the original indian act when i first

856
00:30:17,909 --> 00:30:16,720
started looking earlier this year was an

857
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:17,919
old

858
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:20,880
scanned pdf version that you could

859
00:30:25,269 --> 00:30:22,880
barely read it's like scanned out of the

860
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:25,279
original book

861
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:26,240
so

862
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:29,039
i paid a guy in india

863
00:30:35,990 --> 00:30:31,360
to retype the whole thing

864
00:30:37,590 --> 00:30:36,000
into like a readable format that could

865
00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:37,600
be made into a

866
00:30:41,830 --> 00:30:39,600
a real pdf

867
00:30:43,510 --> 00:30:41,840
so that i could make it available

868
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:43,520
online and so that i could have it for

869
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:45,520
my own purposes for writing the book and

870
00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:46,880
stuff like that and it was actually i

871
00:30:49,669 --> 00:30:48,720
was going to release that whole indian

872
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:49,679
act

873
00:30:54,510 --> 00:30:52,559
the original in 1967 and all the

874
00:30:57,590 --> 00:30:54,520
amendments and everything it was like

875
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:57,600
485 pages eight and a half by 11 or

876
00:31:01,269 --> 00:30:59,120
something like that

877
00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:01,279
and i was just gonna release that as

878
00:31:07,669 --> 00:31:05,039
sort of a not-for-profit thing

879
00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:07,679
so it was out there and then what i was

880
00:31:11,110 --> 00:31:09,440
writing was originally just i was going

881
00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:11,120
to write a two or three page little

882
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:13,360
blurb for the front of that

883
00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:15,120
before i could release it kind of

884
00:31:17,909 --> 00:31:17,120
explaining what i had done and blah blah

885
00:31:19,830 --> 00:31:17,919
blah

886
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:19,840
and just in writing the blurb it kind of

887
00:31:24,310 --> 00:31:22,080
extended to

888
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:24,320
six pages and then seven pages and then

889
00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:25,919
i was like well no one wants to read

890
00:31:31,830 --> 00:31:28,480
when i shrink this down to

891
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:31,840
to six by nine it's like [\h__\h] closing

892
00:31:37,029 --> 00:31:34,320
in on a thousand pages

893
00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:37,039
so you know nobody's gonna read that i

894
00:31:41,590 --> 00:31:39,760
mean even 400 pages is a stretch right

895
00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:41,600
like i don't want to read 400 pages of

896
00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:44,240
super dry material right so i was like

897
00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:45,600
well maybe i should just sort of

898
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:46,960
highlight

899
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:48,960
some of this and my original goal was to

900
00:31:52,470 --> 00:31:50,640
get something i was thinking around 100

901
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:52,480
to 120 pages

902
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:54,480
something super small

903
00:31:57,990 --> 00:31:56,480
super concise where we could where it's

904
00:32:00,870 --> 00:31:58,000
not going to scare people off they could

905
00:32:02,310 --> 00:32:00,880
sort of get through it on a plane ride

906
00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:02,320
so that's sort of where the book came

907
00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:04,640
from and that's how it got put together

908
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:07,600
as mostly an amalgamation of information

909
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:09,360
from all over the place

910
00:32:14,389 --> 00:32:12,320
so there's nothing in there that i'm

911
00:32:16,149 --> 00:32:14,399
speculating there's no speculation in

912
00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:16,159
here it's all

913
00:32:19,350 --> 00:32:17,679
i would say the closest thing to

914
00:32:21,190 --> 00:32:19,360
speculation which i would argue is not

915
00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:21,200
speculation at all

916
00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:23,200
is the international tribunal for the

917
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:26,080
disappear to canada but i mean if you go

918
00:32:28,470 --> 00:32:26,880
to

919
00:32:30,669 --> 00:32:28,480
and it's all linked in the book but if

920
00:32:33,669 --> 00:32:30,679
you go to his website i mean he's got

921
00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:33,679
120 pages at the back of his digital

922
00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:35,360
book that have the old newspaper

923
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:36,960
clippings

924
00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:38,960
and all of that stuff so it's basically

925
00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:41,360
just a source and it's 10 of the book

926
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:43,600
almost is the bibliography i mean that

927
00:32:46,789 --> 00:32:45,360
was probably the worst part of it is me

928
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:46,799
and my girlfriend going through and

929
00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:49,120
trying to source all of it right right

930
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:51,120
we sourced it all down to the pages of

931
00:32:54,630 --> 00:32:52,799
the parliaments and

932
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:54,640
any place we could we took it back to

933
00:32:59,110 --> 00:32:56,640
original not just to some other site on

934
00:33:02,230 --> 00:32:59,120
the internet no here's where

935
00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:02,240
he said this in the house of commons

936
00:33:08,430 --> 00:33:05,840
and to give people some context for what

937
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:08,440
is in that indian act of

938
00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:12,320
1876 this is when they extinguished any

939
00:33:17,350 --> 00:33:15,360
indigenous self-governing structures and

940
00:33:18,389 --> 00:33:17,360
really started to manage the native

941
00:33:20,789 --> 00:33:18,399
people

942
00:33:22,789 --> 00:33:20,799
and you say in the book here just a few

943
00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:22,799
of the sections of the indian act or

944
00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:24,960
policies that were particularly

945
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:27,360
oppressive and destructive to the people

946
00:33:32,950 --> 00:33:30,000
and their culture the ban of religious

947
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:32,960
ceremonies the ban of indians leaving

948
00:33:38,789 --> 00:33:35,440
reservations without indian agent

949
00:33:41,509 --> 00:33:38,799
permission inability to vote

950
00:33:43,990 --> 00:33:41,519
introduction of mandatory residential

951
00:33:46,630 --> 00:33:44,000
schools which we'll get into the denial

952
00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:46,640
of status of indian women

953
00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:49,200
creation of reserves prohibition of

954
00:33:55,590 --> 00:33:52,080
alcohol sales prohibition of the sale of

955
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:55,600
ammunition prohibition of solicitation

956
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:58,399
of funds for indian legal claims i mean

957
00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:01,200
that's a huge one and these are just a

958
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:04,000
few of the atrocities hidden within the

959
00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:06,480
indian act over its century and a half

960
00:34:10,869 --> 00:34:08,320
long existence

961
00:34:12,869 --> 00:34:10,879
a document that is still legally binding

962
00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:12,879
at the time of this writing as you say

963
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:15,359
they've rewritten certain parts of it

964
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:18,960
made it less offensive in some areas but

965
00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:20,720
it is still

966
00:34:26,149 --> 00:34:24,480
the law of the land technically it seems

967
00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:26,159
technically in a lot of ways and i mean

968
00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:28,639
you might get some flack for us using

969
00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:31,040
the word indian on here

970
00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:33,599
i mean i call myself an indian right

971
00:34:39,669 --> 00:34:36,399
i'll try and use indigenous or native or

972
00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:39,679
first nations where i can but personally

973
00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:42,159
i refer to myself as an indian

974
00:34:45,909 --> 00:34:43,760
the reason being is because i have a

975
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:45,919
little card i don't have my wallet on me

976
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:47,359
but i have a little card in my wallet

977
00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:48,960
that says i'm a registered indian and

978
00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:50,800
that's the exact wording on it i'm a

979
00:34:55,349 --> 00:34:52,720
registered indian i have a registration

980
00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:55,359
number because of my dna

981
00:34:58,310 --> 00:34:57,119
now i think they've sort of changed the

982
00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:58,320
name

983
00:35:02,550 --> 00:34:59,520
of the

984
00:35:04,069 --> 00:35:02,560
it used to be the indian affairs canada

985
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:04,079
now they've maybe changed that to

986
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:06,720
indigenous and northern affairs canada

987
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:08,400
but i mean you can go to the canadian

988
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:10,560
website right now it's still called the

989
00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:13,440
indian act i'm still a registered indian

990
00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:15,520
there's a whole page of definitions that

991
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:17,520
i just copy pasted from the canadian

992
00:35:22,230 --> 00:35:19,440
website into the book that still uses

993
00:35:24,710 --> 00:35:22,240
the term indian competent indian

994
00:35:26,790 --> 00:35:24,720
registered indian legal indian all of

995
00:35:27,990 --> 00:35:26,800
those terms are still very much in play

996
00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:28,000
by the

997
00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:30,160
canadian government and i assume the us

998
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:31,680
government as well

999
00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:33,599
so as far as i'm concerned that let's

1000
00:35:37,829 --> 00:35:35,920
not play games i mean let's not virtue

1001
00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:37,839
signal that we're using terms like

1002
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:39,680
native and indigenous

1003
00:35:43,910 --> 00:35:41,280
until the [\h__\h] government i mean it's

1004
00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:43,920
not that hard it shouldn't be that hard

1005
00:35:47,349 --> 00:35:45,920
to change that kind of stuff if we cared

1006
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:47,359
enough but

1007
00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:49,200
i would argue that virtue signaling and

1008
00:35:52,470 --> 00:35:51,280
stuff like that actually does the exact

1009
00:35:54,150 --> 00:35:52,480
opposite

1010
00:35:56,870 --> 00:35:54,160
and makes people think

1011
00:35:58,230 --> 00:35:56,880
that it's fine but you know it makes

1012
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:58,240
people think that we're all using the

1013
00:36:01,349 --> 00:36:00,000
term indigenous well i'm still walking

1014
00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:01,359
around with a card in my wallet that

1015
00:36:06,069 --> 00:36:04,160
says registered india right right great

1016
00:36:08,069 --> 00:36:06,079
points great point and i mean another

1017
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:08,079
big one on the reserves that is another

1018
00:36:11,750 --> 00:36:10,240
misconception people get especially in

1019
00:36:14,069 --> 00:36:11,760
the canadian system i don't know how the

1020
00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:14,079
american system works my my books very

1021
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:16,240
much on the canadian system

1022
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:18,720
but no indian land is owned by indians

1023
00:36:21,990 --> 00:36:19,920
in canada

1024
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:22,000
it's all held in trust by the federal

1025
00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:24,480
government for registered indians

1026
00:36:29,349 --> 00:36:27,200
so basically the context being there is

1027
00:36:30,790 --> 00:36:29,359
once we all assimilate which i think

1028
00:36:33,109 --> 00:36:30,800
we're down to about a half a million

1029
00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:33,119
actual registered indians in canada

1030
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:36,320
there's about 1.6 or 1.7 million

1031
00:36:39,990 --> 00:36:38,640
non-registered metis

1032
00:36:41,750 --> 00:36:40,000
inuit and all that but there's we're

1033
00:36:43,109 --> 00:36:41,760
down to around just over half a million

1034
00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:43,119
registered indians the plan would of

1035
00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:45,599
course be i mean me i'm i'm an example

1036
00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:46,480
of

1037
00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:48,160
assimilated right

1038
00:36:52,870 --> 00:36:50,400
i live in a town i work a full-time job

1039
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:52,880
i pay my taxes i start a business i

1040
00:36:56,470 --> 00:36:54,720
don't live on the reserve at all i use

1041
00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:56,480
some of my stuff i get

1042
00:37:00,069 --> 00:36:58,320
we use my hunting rights and stuff like

1043
00:37:01,829 --> 00:37:00,079
that but for all intents and purposes

1044
00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:01,839
i've assimilated into the canadian

1045
00:37:04,710 --> 00:37:02,880
system

1046
00:37:06,069 --> 00:37:04,720
now what's going to happen is once that

1047
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:06,079
all happens

1048
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:08,400
that land's all going to go back

1049
00:37:11,030 --> 00:37:10,240
to the crowd

1050
00:37:12,310 --> 00:37:11,040
so

1051
00:37:13,589 --> 00:37:12,320
at the end of the day the indians don't

1052
00:37:15,670 --> 00:37:13,599
have any land which is a huge

1053
00:37:17,670 --> 00:37:15,680
misconception in canada and the other

1054
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:17,680
thing is now as people were well if

1055
00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:19,440
we're coming for land whose land are we

1056
00:37:23,829 --> 00:37:21,359
going to take right am i going to lose

1057
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:23,839
my land if the ojibwe needs some land is

1058
00:37:27,510 --> 00:37:25,200
that going to come out of

1059
00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:27,520
jim's ranch and it doesn't need to it

1060
00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:30,240
doesn't [\h__\h] close to need to because

1061
00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:32,560
if you look at a country like canada

1062
00:37:38,950 --> 00:37:36,400
we're sitting at 88.9 percent

1063
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:38,960
of all the land in canada is owned by

1064
00:37:41,829 --> 00:37:40,800
the government either the prevention

1065
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:41,839
government

1066
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:47,599
of all the land in canada and over half

1067
00:37:52,470 --> 00:37:49,200
of the remaining is owned by

1068
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:52,480
corporations wild so i mean i think we

1069
00:37:56,390 --> 00:37:54,720
can find something in the 19 out of 20

1070
00:37:57,910 --> 00:37:56,400
parts so that we don't have to cut into

1071
00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:57,920
the 1 to 20 and i think you know

1072
00:38:02,069 --> 00:38:00,000
everyone's private line can be fine we

1073
00:38:03,430 --> 00:38:02,079
can find a way to make this all work i

1074
00:38:04,710 --> 00:38:03,440
mean at this point i don't even think

1075
00:38:06,550 --> 00:38:04,720
you need

1076
00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:06,560
any more land i don't know what it looks

1077
00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:08,320
like i mean let's be honest i'm a pod

1078
00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:10,160
head like you

1079
00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:12,160
and i'm not saying that in a bad way but

1080
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:13,440
it's just putting the information out

1081
00:38:17,349 --> 00:38:15,359
there i don't have the answers on how we

1082
00:38:18,550 --> 00:38:17,359
get out of the indian act

1083
00:38:20,790 --> 00:38:18,560
i'm just trying to start that

1084
00:38:23,150 --> 00:38:20,800
conversation because i shouldn't have

1085
00:38:25,349 --> 00:38:23,160
the answers it's not up to me it's up to

1086
00:38:28,470 --> 00:38:25,359
650 different

1087
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:28,480
first nations in canada but until we sit

1088
00:38:32,710 --> 00:38:30,960
down around a table with those

1089
00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:32,720
representatives or maybe they each

1090
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:35,040
region can figure out a representative

1091
00:38:38,310 --> 00:38:36,720
or some way to do this but until we get

1092
00:38:39,750 --> 00:38:38,320
around the table and start having a

1093
00:38:41,589 --> 00:38:39,760
conversation

1094
00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:41,599
about how we're going to get out of this

1095
00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:43,200
indian act

1096
00:38:47,270 --> 00:38:45,280
and move on to something different

1097
00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:47,280
but at this point

1098
00:38:50,790 --> 00:38:48,880
we could probably work something out

1099
00:38:52,470 --> 00:38:50,800
that doesn't cost a whole lot more land

1100
00:38:54,150 --> 00:38:52,480
than you've got already maybe a little

1101
00:38:55,349 --> 00:38:54,160
bit more we can figure out some more

1102
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:55,359
here and there

1103
00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:57,119
and let's just start

1104
00:39:00,069 --> 00:38:58,240
actually

1105
00:39:02,470 --> 00:39:00,079
passing that over you know and then

1106
00:39:03,670 --> 00:39:02,480
maybe we can pay taxes on it

1107
00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:03,680
or something i don't know i'm not

1108
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:06,240
against that i pay taxes now but the way

1109
00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:08,560
it's set up now it just doesn't work

1110
00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:11,440
it's not getting better for anybody and

1111
00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:13,280
it's not getting better for

1112
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:14,960
for the people on the reserve and it's

1113
00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:16,400
not getting better for the government

1114
00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:18,000
and it's just this problem that's not

1115
00:39:23,109 --> 00:39:20,240
going away we still have a problem where

1116
00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:23,119
you know half the reserves in canada

1117
00:39:27,510 --> 00:39:25,920
have to boil their water damn

1118
00:39:29,589 --> 00:39:27,520
and it's just like you know we're still

1119
00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:29,599
sending out billions and billions and we

1120
00:39:33,030 --> 00:39:31,520
got a billion dollars to bribe the

1121
00:39:35,349 --> 00:39:33,040
provinces

1122
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:35,359
and just paraphrasing the half it might

1123
00:39:38,630 --> 00:39:36,880
not be there but it's hundreds there's

1124
00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:38,640
hundreds of reserves in canada that have

1125
00:39:42,150 --> 00:39:40,480
to boil their water

1126
00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:42,160
but we got billions of dollars to send

1127
00:39:46,790 --> 00:39:44,560
overseas we got a billion dollars to

1128
00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:46,800
bribe [\h__\h] people with the provinces

1129
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:48,800
with right now to get covert to

1130
00:39:56,870 --> 00:39:53,280
implement a vaccine passport system

1131
00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:56,880
yeah so i mean that's kind of a scary

1132
00:40:01,589 --> 00:39:59,280
thing that's a scary thing to me and my

1133
00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:01,599
running joke with graham lately is that

1134
00:40:05,589 --> 00:40:03,920
you know you guys are all the indian now

1135
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:05,599
and it's gonna be the reserve's gonna be

1136
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:06,880
the city

1137
00:40:10,230 --> 00:40:08,400
and it's gonna be you don't leave and

1138
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:10,240
the funny thing is when you drive around

1139
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:11,760
here in alberta

1140
00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:13,280
you'll get like

1141
00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:16,000
you know an hour and a half southwest of

1142
00:40:19,710 --> 00:40:17,359
the city

1143
00:40:23,349 --> 00:40:19,720
and it'll be like

1144
00:40:25,109 --> 00:40:23,359
714th avenue southwest

1145
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:25,119
and it's like why

1146
00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:28,000
you know the city's never gonna get here

1147
00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:29,920
in 50 years but you could almost see

1148
00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:32,000
where they could just quadrant that all

1149
00:40:35,670 --> 00:40:34,720
off into municipality sections instead

1150
00:40:37,829 --> 00:40:35,680
of

1151
00:40:39,990 --> 00:40:37,839
i mean it's a weird thing it's a weird

1152
00:40:42,550 --> 00:40:40,000
thing and that is a time when i'm sort

1153
00:40:44,790 --> 00:40:42,560
of happier to be in canada

1154
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:44,800
especially in alberta just for the

1155
00:40:48,550 --> 00:40:46,160
reason that

1156
00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:48,560
like my state comment is there's only 20

1157
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:49,760
000.

1158
00:40:55,750 --> 00:40:52,480
there's only 20 000

1159
00:40:57,510 --> 00:40:55,760
standing military in canada 20 000.

1160
00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:57,520
it might be like 23 or something like

1161
00:40:59,589 --> 00:40:58,640
that

1162
00:41:02,150 --> 00:40:59,599
but

1163
00:41:04,309 --> 00:41:02,160
i'd rather that than you know what

1164
00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:04,319
israel's up against

1165
00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:05,200
or

1166
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:07,200
what you guys could be up against i

1167
00:41:10,390 --> 00:41:08,560
guess

1168
00:41:12,309 --> 00:41:10,400
in that sense i feel like it'll be much

1169
00:41:13,349 --> 00:41:12,319
harder now i'm on my way out of town

1170
00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:13,359
right now

1171
00:41:18,630 --> 00:41:16,160
i'm currently actively looking for you

1172
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:18,640
know a 5 or 10 acre parcel or so

1173
00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:20,560
someplace an hour away from the city so

1174
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:21,680
i can have

1175
00:41:25,829 --> 00:41:23,200
you know i'm not under the illusions

1176
00:41:28,069 --> 00:41:25,839
that it's foolproof but

1177
00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:28,079
i feel like it's much better yeah you

1178
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:30,640
know because it does seem like at least

1179
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:34,560
for the next few years to a decade it's

1180
00:41:39,430 --> 00:41:37,280
gonna be confined to the

1181
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:39,440
to at least the some sort of city level

1182
00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:41,119
i mean you can get the towns to enforce

1183
00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:42,560
it too fine

1184
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:44,800
but i mean nobody's driving by my ranch

1185
00:41:47,670 --> 00:41:46,400
in the middle of nowhere i mean maybe

1186
00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:47,680
they'll start tracking the phones and

1187
00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:49,599
stuff i don't know but then you just i

1188
00:41:52,309 --> 00:41:51,040
mean it wouldn't be the worst if we left

1189
00:41:54,309 --> 00:41:52,319
our phones at home when we had a

1190
00:41:56,069 --> 00:41:54,319
barbecue anyway

1191
00:41:59,109 --> 00:41:56,079
right right yeah i think the management

1192
00:42:01,510 --> 00:41:59,119
class they just cast big nets and they

1193
00:42:03,670 --> 00:42:01,520
get as many people as they can and i

1194
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:03,680
don't think they worry too much about

1195
00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:05,440
those on the periphery they're not

1196
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:07,920
trying to get every single body because

1197
00:42:12,309 --> 00:42:10,079
i just don't think you can they're

1198
00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:12,319
trying to use the mass media and

1199
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:14,480
everything they can to create

1200
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:16,560
the perception that it's every single

1201
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:18,720
person but if you shut that stuff off if

1202
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:20,400
you put a little distance between you

1203
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:23,040
and the machine i think you'll be all

1204
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:25,760
right and let's get into the residential

1205
00:42:31,109 --> 00:42:28,000
schools this is the darkest of the dark

1206
00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:31,119
man i mean we've often heard that

1207
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:32,960
schools are the one of the first things

1208
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:35,760
that an invading empire sets up so that

1209
00:42:40,390 --> 00:42:38,319
they can convert the kids to the new way

1210
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:40,400
of life separate them from their parents

1211
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:42,880
and their culture and teach them the new

1212
00:42:49,589 --> 00:42:46,400
western ways but these schools in canada

1213
00:42:52,630 --> 00:42:49,599
seemed particularly brutal you write

1214
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:52,640
that as of 1884

1215
00:42:57,510 --> 00:42:55,040
attendance in residential schools became

1216
00:42:58,630 --> 00:42:57,520
mandatory for indians until the age of

1217
00:43:01,589 --> 00:42:58,640
16

1218
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:01,599
children are forcibly removed and

1219
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:03,440
separated from their families and not

1220
00:43:08,550 --> 00:43:06,079
allowed to speak their own language or

1221
00:43:10,550 --> 00:43:08,560
practice their own religious rituals and

1222
00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:10,560
i've heard you talk about this in other

1223
00:43:16,230 --> 00:43:13,359
interviews that sometimes kids came home

1224
00:43:18,309 --> 00:43:16,240
for the summer sometimes they didn't but

1225
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:18,319
i mean when you're young and you go

1226
00:43:22,470 --> 00:43:20,720
eight months without speaking your

1227
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:22,480
native tongue and you're being taught

1228
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:24,400
french or english and then you come back

1229
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:26,400
to your parents who don't know a lick of

1230
00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:27,359
that

1231
00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:30,160
now you've created this divide within

1232
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:32,400
the family and it's really really sad

1233
00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:35,200
and that's just one aspect of these

1234
00:43:39,349 --> 00:43:38,000
schools and how terrible they were but

1235
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:39,359
what else would you say for people who

1236
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:40,880
are unfamiliar

1237
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:42,400
well i mean you can add to that that

1238
00:43:46,150 --> 00:43:44,160
they were taught that

1239
00:43:47,990 --> 00:43:46,160
their parents speaking that language is

1240
00:43:49,990 --> 00:43:48,000
because they were lesser

1241
00:43:52,390 --> 00:43:50,000
because they were devils because the

1242
00:43:54,309 --> 00:43:52,400
kids are being indoctrinated with

1243
00:43:56,710 --> 00:43:54,319
christianity at the same time or

1244
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:56,720
catholicism or whatever the case may be

1245
00:43:59,910 --> 00:43:58,160
but it's basically

1246
00:44:01,750 --> 00:43:59,920
so i mean and you can read through i

1247
00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:01,760
mean the truth and reconciliation

1248
00:44:05,589 --> 00:44:04,000
documents have hundreds of interviews

1249
00:44:07,030 --> 00:44:05,599
with survivors

1250
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:07,040
where they talk about just that where

1251
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:10,319
they'd go home after a year because they

1252
00:44:13,829 --> 00:44:12,160
maybe they got thrown on a farm which

1253
00:44:15,430 --> 00:44:13,839
would happen a lot you'd go and maybe

1254
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:15,440
learn

1255
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:16,800
we'd call it like an apprenticeship

1256
00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:19,680
today but it's much darker than that of

1257
00:44:22,630 --> 00:44:21,040
course

1258
00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:22,640
so you wouldn't get home for maybe over

1259
00:44:27,990 --> 00:44:26,000
a year maybe two years at a young age

1260
00:44:29,510 --> 00:44:28,000
but like you said even even one year

1261
00:44:30,630 --> 00:44:29,520
what was happening is when these kids

1262
00:44:33,270 --> 00:44:30,640
were going home they couldn't

1263
00:44:35,589 --> 00:44:33,280
communicate anymore right they could no

1264
00:44:37,030 --> 00:44:35,599
longer communicate with their parents

1265
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:37,040
their parents couldn't communicate with

1266
00:44:40,950 --> 00:44:38,400
them because their parents couldn't

1267
00:44:42,870 --> 00:44:40,960
speak english and french

1268
00:44:44,790 --> 00:44:42,880
and then they also had it in the back of

1269
00:44:46,950 --> 00:44:44,800
their head that everything their parents

1270
00:44:48,390 --> 00:44:46,960
was doing was sort of

1271
00:44:50,950 --> 00:44:48,400
evil bad

1272
00:44:53,589 --> 00:44:50,960
you know not good at at the very least

1273
00:44:55,589 --> 00:44:53,599
right primitive at a minimum yeah

1274
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:55,599
exactly and then at the same time you've

1275
00:45:00,390 --> 00:44:57,440
sort of banned the religious ceremonies

1276
00:45:01,589 --> 00:45:00,400
you've banned the potlucks you've banned

1277
00:45:03,630 --> 00:45:01,599
this

1278
00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:03,640
system of

1279
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:05,599
interweaving

1280
00:45:11,190 --> 00:45:08,079
bands and tribes that have been sort of

1281
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:11,200
meeting up over the years and it's

1282
00:45:15,589 --> 00:45:13,200
even though you had one band say of a

1283
00:45:17,349 --> 00:45:15,599
couple hundred or a thousand

1284
00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:17,359
thousand natives and you'd put them on

1285
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:19,680
on one reserve i mean that they're used

1286
00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:21,839
to meeting up a few times a year and

1287
00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:23,920
there's this whole intermingling thing

1288
00:45:28,150 --> 00:45:26,000
so i mean all that's

1289
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:28,160
taken away at the same time but

1290
00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:29,520
and at the same time you're in the

1291
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:30,960
school where your teachers are punishing

1292
00:45:33,910 --> 00:45:32,160
you every time you speak your own

1293
00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:33,920
language if you've got a sibling you

1294
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:35,280
know you're sort of not allowed to talk

1295
00:45:40,470 --> 00:45:37,680
to them you're kept away from them

1296
00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:40,480
and you go home if you're lucky and you

1297
00:45:44,230 --> 00:45:42,160
can't communicate with your family

1298
00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:44,240
anymore and you think everything they do

1299
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:47,040
is primitive and you're at the best and

1300
00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:48,480
at the worst you just can't communicate

1301
00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:50,160
with them and in the back of your head

1302
00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:52,079
you think your parents have just taken

1303
00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:54,319
you to this place and left you there

1304
00:45:58,870 --> 00:45:56,319
which i mean if everyone just takes them

1305
00:46:00,790 --> 00:45:58,880
in and just thinks about your kids

1306
00:46:02,309 --> 00:46:00,800
if you just when they turned six if you

1307
00:46:03,990 --> 00:46:02,319
just took them off and dropped them off

1308
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:04,000
at an institution and didn't see them

1309
00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:05,520
for a few years

1310
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:07,200
i mean none of us are going to be okay

1311
00:46:10,390 --> 00:46:08,160
with that

1312
00:46:13,030 --> 00:46:10,400
today but that was happening up until

1313
00:46:15,589 --> 00:46:13,040
you know 60 years ago in canada

1314
00:46:17,910 --> 00:46:15,599
right right and of course the big story

1315
00:46:20,470 --> 00:46:17,920
that's coming out now are these mass

1316
00:46:21,510 --> 00:46:20,480
unmarked graves of children around these

1317
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:21,520
schools

1318
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:23,760
from the book i wrote down

1319
00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:27,359
215 bodies at camp loops indian

1320
00:46:33,550 --> 00:46:30,640
residential school 109 bodies at the

1321
00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:33,560
brandon indian residential school

1322
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:36,480
751 bodies at the

1323
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:39,760
maryvale indian residential school

1324
00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:41,520
and these are just three examples there

1325
00:46:47,589 --> 00:46:44,640
are quite a few more right

1326
00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:47,599
yeah i think the last time i checked it

1327
00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:49,599
was up to over five thousand

1328
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:52,880
wow total kids in unmarked graves yeah

1329
00:46:55,829 --> 00:46:54,480
mostly kids

1330
00:46:58,150 --> 00:46:55,839
and i think you know there's the

1331
00:47:00,230 --> 00:46:58,160
argument that a lot of those graves used

1332
00:47:02,630 --> 00:47:00,240
to be marked and i've

1333
00:47:04,710 --> 00:47:02,640
got a lot of time for that

1334
00:47:06,230 --> 00:47:04,720
i don't think they were all crammed in

1335
00:47:08,230 --> 00:47:06,240
unmarked graze they were probably put in

1336
00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:08,240
mark graves and it's been

1337
00:47:13,349 --> 00:47:10,800
60 70 years of just people not giving a

1338
00:47:15,910 --> 00:47:13,359
[\h__\h] or not paying attention or you know

1339
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:15,920
they got knocked over or they rotted or

1340
00:47:20,309 --> 00:47:18,000
maybe they were unmarked

1341
00:47:22,390 --> 00:47:20,319
but it's a disaster

1342
00:47:24,870 --> 00:47:22,400
and the funny thing is that

1343
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:24,880
not the funny thing but guys like kevin

1344
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:27,359
annette that have been saying this for

1345
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:30,400
20 years i mean their numbers are closer

1346
00:47:34,309 --> 00:47:32,400
to 10 times this

1347
00:47:36,549 --> 00:47:34,319
and he's got real concerns that the only

1348
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:36,559
reason this is coming out now is because

1349
00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:38,400
they're sort of ready for it this is a

1350
00:47:42,309 --> 00:47:40,240
controlled release of we'll give them

1351
00:47:45,190 --> 00:47:42,319
five or ten thousand and we'll just

1352
00:47:48,069 --> 00:47:45,200
leave the rest to be done with it

1353
00:47:48,790 --> 00:47:48,079
right limited hangout classic situation

1354
00:47:50,390 --> 00:47:48,800
and

1355
00:47:53,349 --> 00:47:50,400
let's talk about

1356
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:53,359
how these kids died i mean a lot of it

1357
00:47:58,150 --> 00:47:57,119
apparently is tuberculosis a 1907 report

1358
00:48:01,270 --> 00:47:58,160
said that

1359
00:48:02,750 --> 00:48:01,280
in one case over 25

1360
00:48:06,549 --> 00:48:02,760
of the

1361
00:48:09,589 --> 00:48:06,559
1537 students had died from tuberculosis

1362
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:09,599
with some schools approaching 70 death

1363
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:10,480
rates

1364
00:48:15,430 --> 00:48:12,960
bryce's report blamed school

1365
00:48:17,589 --> 00:48:15,440
construction and care standards for the

1366
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:17,599
much higher rates of tuberculosis in the

1367
00:48:23,829 --> 00:48:20,720
schools which went against the popular

1368
00:48:26,230 --> 00:48:23,839
racial susceptibility theory of the time

1369
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:26,240
and uh we also have a race racial

1370
00:48:30,549 --> 00:48:27,760
susceptibility

1371
00:48:32,309 --> 00:48:30,559
thread to covid too and i just think

1372
00:48:35,190 --> 00:48:32,319
this is so important to bring this stuff

1373
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:35,200
up to people who think this mindset is

1374
00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:37,440
gone that the elite are no longer racist

1375
00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:38,800
that we can trust them they have our

1376
00:48:43,510 --> 00:48:40,640
best interests at heart it's a tale as

1377
00:48:45,670 --> 00:48:43,520
old as time that they don't but talk to

1378
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:45,680
us about tuberculosis in these schools

1379
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:48,000
because my first thought was always that

1380
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:49,920
when you find these mass graves it's

1381
00:48:55,750 --> 00:48:53,760
abuse it's murdering kids and just

1382
00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:55,760
not taking care of them which you know

1383
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:58,000
of course disease i think we both kind

1384
00:49:02,470 --> 00:48:59,440
of rethought

1385
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:02,480
what disease is and how it affects us

1386
00:49:08,069 --> 00:49:05,280
and its relationship to

1387
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:08,079
standards of of cleanliness and and

1388
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:08,960
health

1389
00:49:12,309 --> 00:49:10,720
talk to us about tuberculosis and how

1390
00:49:13,829 --> 00:49:12,319
you're processing the fact that the

1391
00:49:15,670 --> 00:49:13,839
majority of these deaths seem to be

1392
00:49:17,349 --> 00:49:15,680
because of that

1393
00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:17,359
i mean the main thing was probably that

1394
00:49:21,030 --> 00:49:19,599
it was about a six or seven to one

1395
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:21,040
between

1396
00:49:24,790 --> 00:49:22,800
indigenous kids at schools and

1397
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:24,800
indigenous kids on the reserve so i mean

1398
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:27,200
tuberculosis was a big problem

1399
00:49:31,270 --> 00:49:29,440
already i mean there probably was a bit

1400
00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:31,280
of

1401
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:33,520
i mean if disease works like that which

1402
00:49:37,829 --> 00:49:35,760
i we don't know i mean we still that's

1403
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:37,839
probably still on the table but if there

1404
00:49:41,430 --> 00:49:39,119
was uh

1405
00:49:43,109 --> 00:49:41,440
it seems to me to be more of a poverty

1406
00:49:44,790 --> 00:49:43,119
thing again

1407
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:44,800
where the poorer you were

1408
00:49:47,829 --> 00:49:46,319
the more chance you had to die in

1409
00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:47,839
tuberculosis because even the on

1410
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:51,200
reservation numbers compared to

1411
00:49:55,589 --> 00:49:53,280
the general population of the settler

1412
00:49:57,270 --> 00:49:55,599
population was still higher

1413
00:49:58,870 --> 00:49:57,280
but once you got onto the residential

1414
00:50:00,630 --> 00:49:58,880
schools it was about seven times the

1415
00:50:03,109 --> 00:50:00,640
settler population i think about four

1416
00:50:05,270 --> 00:50:03,119
times the on reserve population

1417
00:50:07,030 --> 00:50:05,280
and i mean i think that still just boils

1418
00:50:10,309 --> 00:50:07,040
down to cramming a bunch of kids into a

1419
00:50:13,670 --> 00:50:10,319
shitty house in a canadian winter i mean

1420
00:50:15,190 --> 00:50:13,680
no one really cares you know you got it

1421
00:50:18,309 --> 00:50:15,200
you're coming to a thing where there

1422
00:50:20,230 --> 00:50:18,319
wasn't a lot of love in these places

1423
00:50:22,309 --> 00:50:20,240
you got kids that aren't getting hugged

1424
00:50:23,910 --> 00:50:22,319
they're not getting touched when they're

1425
00:50:26,309 --> 00:50:23,920
sick they're probably just left in their

1426
00:50:28,309 --> 00:50:26,319
bed alone

1427
00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:28,319
they're probably not getting extra care

1428
00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:30,160
when they're sick they're probably not

1429
00:50:36,549 --> 00:50:34,240
being separated from the population and

1430
00:50:38,470 --> 00:50:36,559
it's one less mouth to feed probably is

1431
00:50:40,150 --> 00:50:38,480
the outlook of the time

1432
00:50:42,950 --> 00:50:40,160
and then there's a ton of reports from

1433
00:50:45,270 --> 00:50:42,960
bryce's own report who was the i forget

1434
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:45,280
his exact title at the time but he was

1435
00:50:49,109 --> 00:50:47,040
put in charge of checking

1436
00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:49,119
the health level these places out by the

1437
00:50:52,069 --> 00:50:50,240
government

1438
00:50:54,549 --> 00:50:52,079
now when he started questioning the

1439
00:50:56,790 --> 00:50:54,559
government and wrote his report he was

1440
00:50:59,589 --> 00:50:56,800
forced into retirement

1441
00:51:01,190 --> 00:50:59,599
he fought that and tried to

1442
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:01,200
overturn it

1443
00:51:05,829 --> 00:51:04,160
and he was unsuccessful and was forced

1444
00:51:07,750 --> 00:51:05,839
into retirement which is why he released

1445
00:51:10,950 --> 00:51:07,760
it as a book

1446
00:51:12,710 --> 00:51:10,960
the book was a national crime

1447
00:51:13,670 --> 00:51:12,720
which is where a lot of this information

1448
00:51:15,750 --> 00:51:13,680
can be

1449
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:15,760
found now it's only about little 22 page

1450
00:51:20,309 --> 00:51:17,760
book but it's basically just a breakdown

1451
00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:20,319
of exactly what was happening

1452
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:22,640
in these schools and why tuberculosis

1453
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:24,720
was such a problem

1454
00:51:28,390 --> 00:51:26,160
i mean the other problem is there was a

1455
00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:28,400
ton of abuse i mean

1456
00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:30,400
let's be honest catholics in the [\h__\h]

1457
00:51:35,430 --> 00:51:32,960
1800s and the 18 1900s work great to

1458
00:51:36,630 --> 00:51:35,440
[\h__\h] any kids you know it's a harsh

1459
00:51:40,150 --> 00:51:36,640
[\h__\h] thing

1460
00:51:42,069 --> 00:51:40,160
and now take it on to a bunch of savages

1461
00:51:43,910 --> 00:51:42,079
quote unquote that you're not happy

1462
00:51:45,430 --> 00:51:43,920
about where you are or why you are or

1463
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:45,440
your post and you're just stuck there

1464
00:51:48,630 --> 00:51:47,040
with a bunch of

1465
00:51:51,030 --> 00:51:48,640
kids you don't like

1466
00:51:52,950 --> 00:51:51,040
so there's a ton of stories of abuse i'm

1467
00:51:55,750 --> 00:51:52,960
sure a ton of murder there's a ton of

1468
00:51:57,030 --> 00:51:55,760
stories of principles and

1469
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:57,040
because it seemed like the principles in

1470
00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:58,319
a lot of time ended up with the

1471
00:52:01,750 --> 00:51:59,760
authority in these situations but

1472
00:52:03,270 --> 00:52:01,760
there's a ton of evidence of of just

1473
00:52:06,069 --> 00:52:03,280
that abuse

1474
00:52:09,589 --> 00:52:06,079
murder that kind of stuff

1475
00:52:11,910 --> 00:52:09,599
and the other big one is running away

1476
00:52:13,990 --> 00:52:11,920
i mean a ton of these kids took it on

1477
00:52:16,230 --> 00:52:14,000
themselves to try and run away some

1478
00:52:17,589 --> 00:52:16,240
ended up getting caught some gave up and

1479
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:17,599
came back

1480
00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:19,920
some made it but we're talking about

1481
00:52:25,829 --> 00:52:21,359
canada

1482
00:52:29,190 --> 00:52:25,839
there's a lot of untamed wilderness now

1483
00:52:30,069 --> 00:52:29,200
in 2021 a hundred years ago it was much

1484
00:52:30,829 --> 00:52:30,079
much

1485
00:52:33,190 --> 00:52:30,839
more

1486
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:33,200
untamed and

1487
00:52:37,910 --> 00:52:35,520
you know the weather is harsh six months

1488
00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:37,920
of the year so

1489
00:52:41,829 --> 00:52:40,079
for a young kid to be walking around or

1490
00:52:43,109 --> 00:52:41,839
wandering around in the fall the spring

1491
00:52:44,309 --> 00:52:43,119
or the winter

1492
00:52:46,630 --> 00:52:44,319
which you really wouldn't know any

1493
00:52:47,829 --> 00:52:46,640
better at that age and you just want to

1494
00:52:51,030 --> 00:52:47,839
get away

1495
00:52:52,950 --> 00:52:51,040
and you end up just succumbing to the

1496
00:52:55,829 --> 00:52:52,960
the elements i think you know their

1497
00:52:57,109 --> 00:52:55,839
official numbers they say it's up to 6

1498
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:57,119
000

1499
00:53:01,510 --> 00:52:59,040
kids died at the schools i think that

1500
00:53:03,109 --> 00:53:01,520
number's probably closer to 60.

1501
00:53:05,109 --> 00:53:03,119
i won't say that in the book though

1502
00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:05,119
because i don't speculate but that's my

1503
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:06,960
personal thought is that that number's

1504
00:53:13,349 --> 00:53:10,079
probably closer to 50 or 60 000 kids

1505
00:53:15,109 --> 00:53:13,359
fair enough and i have this quote from

1506
00:53:16,630 --> 00:53:15,119
scott i can't remember his first name

1507
00:53:18,390 --> 00:53:16,640
but he's one of the players you say

1508
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:18,400
who's involved with all this but his

1509
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:22,000
quote from 1910 says i can safely say

1510
00:53:27,349 --> 00:53:24,640
that barely half of the children in our

1511
00:53:29,990 --> 00:53:27,359
indian schools survive to take advantage

1512
00:53:31,510 --> 00:53:30,000
of the education we are offering them i

1513
00:53:33,910 --> 00:53:31,520
mean that's pretty dark but it's right

1514
00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:33,920
from the horse's mouth right there

1515
00:53:36,309 --> 00:53:35,040
and that's

1516
00:53:38,549 --> 00:53:36,319
18.

1517
00:53:40,230 --> 00:53:38,559
that's the 18 he's talking about we're

1518
00:53:43,030 --> 00:53:40,240
not even

1519
00:53:44,950 --> 00:53:43,040
taking into account

1520
00:53:47,109 --> 00:53:44,960
what happened to these kids in early

1521
00:53:48,790 --> 00:53:47,119
adulthood

1522
00:53:51,349 --> 00:53:48,800
you know like if you start taking in

1523
00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:51,359
account how many of them ended up with

1524
00:53:56,549 --> 00:53:53,280
alcoholism problems

1525
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:56,559
how many of them ended up with crime

1526
00:54:00,470 --> 00:53:57,839
problems

1527
00:54:02,069 --> 00:54:00,480
i mean you've completely broken a person

1528
00:54:04,309 --> 00:54:02,079
when you've done this to them at that

1529
00:54:07,349 --> 00:54:04,319
age and if they're lucky enough to get

1530
00:54:10,230 --> 00:54:07,359
through that now you know you've got a

1531
00:54:13,190 --> 00:54:10,240
huge percentage with drinking problems

1532
00:54:15,670 --> 00:54:13,200
you've got an insane increase in suicide

1533
00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:15,680
among indigenous and inuit populations

1534
00:54:18,470 --> 00:54:16,960
in canada

1535
00:54:20,069 --> 00:54:18,480
especially young people right up to

1536
00:54:24,150 --> 00:54:20,079
today

1537
00:54:25,750 --> 00:54:24,160
so we've got three generations of

1538
00:54:27,750 --> 00:54:25,760
you know we're just kind of getting a

1539
00:54:29,109 --> 00:54:27,760
grasp on where indians are raising their

1540
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:29,119
own kids again

1541
00:54:35,109 --> 00:54:32,160
i mean so for like a hundred years

1542
00:54:38,150 --> 00:54:35,119
i mean technically as is 1884 maybe or

1543
00:54:41,670 --> 00:54:38,160
1894 i should get those years right

1544
00:54:43,589 --> 00:54:41,680
because it was up until 1947 that it was

1545
00:54:46,670 --> 00:54:43,599
mandatory attendance and i believe it

1546
00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:46,680
started in 18 yeah 1884 to

1547
00:54:51,750 --> 00:54:49,920
1947 mandatory attendance so

1548
00:54:53,829 --> 00:54:51,760
i mean we're 60 years removed from that

1549
00:54:57,349 --> 00:54:53,839
so maybe two generations but so you got

1550
00:54:59,030 --> 00:54:57,359
to think now the repercussions of that

1551
00:55:02,150 --> 00:54:59,040
are that

1552
00:55:04,069 --> 00:55:02,160
maybe you're the first generation

1553
00:55:07,109 --> 00:55:04,079
of parents that are raising their own

1554
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:07,119
kids now is into the 60s no

1555
00:55:12,069 --> 00:55:08,880
but these people

1556
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:12,079
weren't raised by parents

1557
00:55:15,589 --> 00:55:13,680
they didn't learn i mean parenting's

1558
00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:15,599
hard enough right i mean as you're about

1559
00:55:18,309 --> 00:55:16,720
to find out

1560
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:18,319
i already know but i mean it's hard

1561
00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:19,280
enough

1562
00:55:24,950 --> 00:55:22,400
with all the information and everything

1563
00:55:27,750 --> 00:55:24,960
we've got around us today

1564
00:55:31,109 --> 00:55:27,760
but now take into that that you never

1565
00:55:32,950 --> 00:55:31,119
got to experience the child end of that

1566
00:55:34,950 --> 00:55:32,960
because that's the biggest one right

1567
00:55:37,670 --> 00:55:34,960
that's the biggest thing we ever learn

1568
00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:37,680
from is from watching our parents

1569
00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:39,599
now you take that away that these kids

1570
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:41,440
didn't have that they didn't have a

1571
00:55:45,430 --> 00:55:43,440
parents to emulate they didn't have

1572
00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:45,440
parents to copy they didn't really have

1573
00:55:49,030 --> 00:55:47,280
parents to love they didn't really have

1574
00:55:50,549 --> 00:55:49,040
anyone to love

1575
00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:50,559
but then they stumbled out of that

1576
00:55:53,829 --> 00:55:52,079
somehow

1577
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:53,839
had kids

1578
00:55:58,630 --> 00:55:56,160
and now got to figure out

1579
00:56:01,430 --> 00:55:58,640
something that

1580
00:56:04,150 --> 00:56:01,440
you know arguably 30 of the population

1581
00:56:05,910 --> 00:56:04,160
has an insane problem with today and not

1582
00:56:08,069 --> 00:56:05,920
letting it slip into

1583
00:56:10,710 --> 00:56:08,079
addiction or abuse

1584
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:10,720
today we're talking 20 or 30 percent of

1585
00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:13,200
people in modern society

1586
00:56:16,390 --> 00:56:15,200
living the way we live can't keep a lid

1587
00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:16,400
on that [\h__\h]

1588
00:56:20,470 --> 00:56:18,640
now add to that that you were basically

1589
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:20,480
in a concentration camp for your

1590
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:22,400
developing years and you never got

1591
00:56:27,109 --> 00:56:24,000
raised by parents

1592
00:56:28,470 --> 00:56:27,119
how high does that number go up then

1593
00:56:30,390 --> 00:56:28,480
oh

1594
00:56:31,990 --> 00:56:30,400
man it is wild

1595
00:56:34,710 --> 00:56:32,000
and i also wanted to ask you about some

1596
00:56:36,390 --> 00:56:34,720
of your upcoming trips you guys really

1597
00:56:38,549 --> 00:56:36,400
are doing what needs to be done

1598
00:56:40,710 --> 00:56:38,559
strengthening the tribe building out the

1599
00:56:42,950 --> 00:56:40,720
network and just having a good time out

1600
00:56:45,670 --> 00:56:42,960
in the world i am a little jealous i do

1601
00:56:47,589 --> 00:56:45,680
still plan on coming to magic on the

1602
00:56:50,309 --> 00:56:47,599
mountain in february if you guys will

1603
00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:50,319
have me and my life is calmed down a

1604
00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:51,760
little bit by then

1605
00:56:55,829 --> 00:56:53,760
but i know you got a lot of other trips

1606
00:56:57,430 --> 00:56:55,839
on the books too tell people about them

1607
00:56:59,670 --> 00:56:57,440
well i'm actually headed down in two

1608
00:57:02,710 --> 00:56:59,680
weeks two weeks from monday i'm driving

1609
00:57:04,470 --> 00:57:02,720
back down to washington state to soap

1610
00:57:06,230 --> 00:57:04,480
lake washington

1611
00:57:07,349 --> 00:57:06,240
to meet up with randall carlson and

1612
00:57:09,030 --> 00:57:07,359
friends

1613
00:57:11,349 --> 00:57:09,040
and the brothers of the serpent are

1614
00:57:13,030 --> 00:57:11,359
going to be there ben from uncharted x

1615
00:57:14,150 --> 00:57:13,040
will be there

1616
00:57:18,069 --> 00:57:14,160
and

1617
00:57:20,069 --> 00:57:18,079
going to be there

1618
00:57:22,069 --> 00:57:20,079
and we're going to be doing wim hof

1619
00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:22,079
training there doing some cold water

1620
00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:24,000
training doing the breath work

1621
00:57:27,430 --> 00:57:25,280
and of course we're going to be cruising

1622
00:57:29,030 --> 00:57:27,440
around for six days looking at all the

1623
00:57:30,150 --> 00:57:29,040
channeled scab lines with randall

1624
00:57:31,829 --> 00:57:30,160
carlson

1625
00:57:33,109 --> 00:57:31,839
we'll be doing some presentations at

1626
00:57:34,549 --> 00:57:33,119
night i was lucky enough to just do this

1627
00:57:36,309 --> 00:57:34,559
tour this is our second one this year we

1628
00:57:38,069 --> 00:57:36,319
did another one in may

1629
00:57:39,750 --> 00:57:38,079
from the third to the eighth it was a

1630
00:57:41,829 --> 00:57:39,760
fantastic time i'm looking forward to

1631
00:57:45,030 --> 00:57:41,839
get back down there we had i think about

1632
00:57:46,789 --> 00:57:45,040
15 rebuy of the people that came on the

1633
00:57:48,390 --> 00:57:46,799
first tour wanted to come back and do it

1634
00:57:50,069 --> 00:57:48,400
all over again

1635
00:57:51,349 --> 00:57:50,079
so they're doing that we are sold out

1636
00:57:53,349 --> 00:57:51,359
for that but we'll be doing that from

1637
00:57:54,950 --> 00:57:53,359
the 20th to the 26th

1638
00:57:56,789 --> 00:57:54,960
having a good old time usually randall

1639
00:57:59,430 --> 00:57:56,799
on the last night does his fabled moon

1640
00:58:01,190 --> 00:57:59,440
presentation which is a getter i highly

1641
00:58:03,589 --> 00:58:01,200
recommend it

1642
00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:03,599
so we got that september 20th to 26th

1643
00:58:07,510 --> 00:58:05,680
that's the last one of the year we

1644
00:58:10,150 --> 00:58:07,520
pulled off three this year even during

1645
00:58:11,829 --> 00:58:10,160
the lockdowns in canada we managed to

1646
00:58:13,829 --> 00:58:11,839
graham couldn't get out but i got out

1647
00:58:15,190 --> 00:58:13,839
and we were able to pull those off of

1648
00:58:16,870 --> 00:58:15,200
course we have the magic on the mountain

1649
00:58:18,870 --> 00:58:16,880
in arizona that you mentioned in

1650
00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:18,880
february that'll be february 10th to

1651
00:58:20,829 --> 00:58:20,160
13th

1652
00:58:24,390 --> 00:58:20,839
and

1653
00:58:26,230 --> 00:58:24,400
lakeside pinetop lakeside arizona i'll

1654
00:58:28,789 --> 00:58:26,240
probably have to drive down i think with

1655
00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:28,799
the new vacation stuff but that's okay

1656
00:58:32,150 --> 00:58:30,240
arizona is a nice drive that's got to be

1657
00:58:35,510 --> 00:58:32,160
like 20 some hours

1658
00:58:36,390 --> 00:58:35,520
right if you can go 27 hours i can go

1659
00:58:37,750 --> 00:58:36,400
five

1660
00:58:40,069 --> 00:58:37,760
there you go i mean i've driven to

1661
00:58:42,390 --> 00:58:40,079
california a couple times colorado i'm

1662
00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:42,400
used to it it's still better than

1663
00:58:44,950 --> 00:58:43,760
jumping through their hoops but we're

1664
00:58:47,430 --> 00:58:44,960
doing that

1665
00:58:49,510 --> 00:58:47,440
in arizona from the 10th to the 13th

1666
00:58:52,549 --> 00:58:49,520
we've got for sure joe rupe's going to

1667
00:58:54,390 --> 00:58:52,559
be there owen hunt brandon powell we'll

1668
00:58:57,109 --> 00:58:54,400
have some actual snow up there so we'll

1669
00:58:58,470 --> 00:58:57,119
do some proper whim hoffen up there and

1670
00:59:00,870 --> 00:58:58,480
we're going to learn a bunch of magic

1671
00:59:02,069 --> 00:59:00,880
and manifestation tricks to take on life

1672
00:59:04,069 --> 00:59:02,079
we'll do a day trip over to the

1673
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:04,079
petrified forest national park for

1674
00:59:07,349 --> 00:59:06,160
anyone who wants to go

1675
00:59:08,470 --> 00:59:07,359
and then

1676
00:59:11,589 --> 00:59:08,480
next

1677
00:59:14,230 --> 00:59:11,599
april april 28 to may 2nd

1678
00:59:15,990 --> 00:59:14,240
we're in utah for contact at the canyons

1679
00:59:17,190 --> 00:59:16,000
we go with our mutual friend dave

1680
00:59:19,829 --> 00:59:17,200
matheson

1681
00:59:22,950 --> 00:59:19,839
and brandon powell we meet up down in

1682
00:59:25,349 --> 00:59:22,960
south western utah on duck creek

1683
00:59:26,710 --> 00:59:25,359
mountain and we hang out we go to bryce

1684
00:59:28,710 --> 00:59:26,720
canyon

1685
00:59:31,510 --> 00:59:28,720
hike it have dinner out in the park

1686
00:59:33,510 --> 00:59:31,520
there and then we wait till dark and we

1687
00:59:36,069 --> 00:59:33,520
check out the stars the stars at bryce

1688
00:59:38,309 --> 00:59:36,079
canyon are amazing

1689
00:59:40,470 --> 00:59:38,319
and we have our buddy dave there telling

1690
00:59:42,549 --> 00:59:40,480
us all the star mythology and pointing

1691
00:59:44,829 --> 00:59:42,559
out all the constellations and all that

1692
00:59:47,190 --> 00:59:44,839
it really is a good time it's great for

1693
00:59:48,549 --> 00:59:47,200
couples unfortunately that's sold out if

1694
00:59:50,630 --> 00:59:48,559
you do decide to come to that one though

1695
00:59:52,470 --> 00:59:50,640
i will get you in all right

1696
00:59:54,390 --> 00:59:52,480
that's probably my favorite one honestly

1697
00:59:56,950 --> 00:59:54,400
it's the four days just hanging out and

1698
00:59:59,109 --> 00:59:56,960
hiking and checking out the stars and we

1699
01:00:00,710 --> 00:59:59,119
got a giant chalet rented out up there

1700
01:00:02,470 --> 01:00:00,720
in duck creek we're there right before

1701
01:00:04,069 --> 01:00:02,480
the start of the season up there so it's

1702
01:00:05,670 --> 01:00:04,079
super quiet

1703
01:00:07,510 --> 01:00:05,680
and you get to fly into vegas on your

1704
01:00:09,109 --> 01:00:07,520
way in so i mean you get if you want you

1705
01:00:10,470 --> 01:00:09,119
can have a night in vegas and then head

1706
01:00:12,470 --> 01:00:10,480
up on the mountain to decompress i'll

1707
01:00:14,870 --> 01:00:12,480
tell you that's a crazy drive

1708
01:00:17,190 --> 01:00:14,880
i bought a bag of chips just outside of

1709
01:00:18,950 --> 01:00:17,200
vegas on my way up the mountain and we

1710
01:00:20,870 --> 01:00:18,960
were driving up the mountain

1711
01:00:23,109 --> 01:00:20,880
and you hear a pop

1712
01:00:24,630 --> 01:00:23,119
and i were like what the hell was that

1713
01:00:26,710 --> 01:00:24,640
then sure enough all the chips have

1714
01:00:28,470 --> 01:00:26,720
exploded in the back seat

1715
01:00:30,309 --> 01:00:28,480
i've never seen anything like that but

1716
01:00:31,829 --> 01:00:30,319
it was pretty gnarly but that one's sold

1717
01:00:33,349 --> 01:00:31,839
out too we're thinking about doing a

1718
01:00:35,270 --> 01:00:33,359
second week

1719
01:00:37,829 --> 01:00:35,280
and then of course

1720
01:00:40,309 --> 01:00:37,839
next june we're doing the second half of

1721
01:00:42,390 --> 01:00:40,319
the scab lines tour in idaho and montana

1722
01:00:44,069 --> 01:00:42,400
with randall carlson again that's

1723
01:00:46,630 --> 01:00:44,079
already half sold

1724
01:00:48,069 --> 01:00:46,640
and next november we're going to egypt

1725
01:00:50,150 --> 01:00:48,079
damn

1726
01:00:53,030 --> 01:00:50,160
two weeks in egypt with ben from

1727
01:00:55,829 --> 01:00:53,040
uncharted x and the snake brothers right

1728
01:00:57,990 --> 01:00:55,839
that's all over at contact cabin.com if

1729
01:01:01,270 --> 01:00:58,000
people want to check that out

1730
01:01:02,870 --> 01:01:01,280
we can join the mailing list or

1731
01:01:04,230 --> 01:01:02,880
get on a wait list we have some wait

1732
01:01:05,829 --> 01:01:04,240
lists because lately the you know the

1733
01:01:07,670 --> 01:01:05,839
world's pretty fluid these days with

1734
01:01:08,950 --> 01:01:07,680
people wanting to travel or being able

1735
01:01:10,549 --> 01:01:08,960
to travel

1736
01:01:11,910 --> 01:01:10,559
so there's always some last minute

1737
01:01:13,670 --> 01:01:11,920
movement if you get your name on a

1738
01:01:15,430 --> 01:01:13,680
waitlist sometimes you can get in last

1739
01:01:19,030 --> 01:01:15,440
minute

1740
01:01:21,109 --> 01:01:19,040
wow well ambitious and bold and i love

1741
01:01:22,789 --> 01:01:21,119
it i love it i'm definitely a little

1742
01:01:25,190 --> 01:01:22,799
jealous but i'm gonna try to make it out

1743
01:01:27,510 --> 01:01:25,200
on some of these trips i gotta quit just

1744
01:01:29,349 --> 01:01:27,520
talking about it and actually

1745
01:01:31,510 --> 01:01:29,359
get out of the

1746
01:01:33,589 --> 01:01:31,520
my little bubble here in san diego i

1747
01:01:35,270 --> 01:01:33,599
just don't leave it and once you get out

1748
01:01:36,470 --> 01:01:35,280
once you'll just be like oh this is

1749
01:01:38,549 --> 01:01:36,480
great

1750
01:01:40,710 --> 01:01:38,559
right it's dumb to keep complaining

1751
01:01:42,710 --> 01:01:40,720
about the same things and then doing the

1752
01:01:45,030 --> 01:01:42,720
same things and not actually making some

1753
01:01:46,870 --> 01:01:45,040
kind of change so it just uh

1754
01:01:48,950 --> 01:01:46,880
unfortunately it coincides right with

1755
01:01:51,910 --> 01:01:48,960
having my first kid so it's like now is

1756
01:01:53,750 --> 01:01:51,920
not the time to start getting out but

1757
01:01:54,950 --> 01:01:53,760
maybe it is i don't know

1758
01:01:56,870 --> 01:01:54,960
but is there anything else we should

1759
01:01:59,270 --> 01:01:56,880
tell the people before i cut you loose

1760
01:02:00,870 --> 01:01:59,280
where to get the book obviously where to

1761
01:02:02,870 --> 01:02:00,880
get the show i'm sure most people are

1762
01:02:04,470 --> 01:02:02,880
aware but still it's how these things

1763
01:02:05,990 --> 01:02:04,480
tend to wind down

1764
01:02:07,589 --> 01:02:06,000
yeah well of course the website's

1765
01:02:09,349 --> 01:02:07,599
gramerica.ca

1766
01:02:11,589 --> 01:02:09,359
you can find everything from there

1767
01:02:15,349 --> 01:02:11,599
that'll lead you sort of everywhere

1768
01:02:17,190 --> 01:02:15,359
gramerica outlaw.ca is the other podcast

1769
01:02:19,109 --> 01:02:17,200
the book a canadian chains available on

1770
01:02:21,829 --> 01:02:19,119
amazon everyplace else

1771
01:02:23,910 --> 01:02:21,839
or you can go to a canadian shame.ca

1772
01:02:26,549 --> 01:02:23,920
there's a little contact form at the

1773
01:02:28,789 --> 01:02:26,559
bottom if you need bulk copies

1774
01:02:31,349 --> 01:02:28,799
or if you want to sign copy or anything

1775
01:02:32,950 --> 01:02:31,359
like that i can do that for you

1776
01:02:35,670 --> 01:02:32,960
and then the other big thing we got

1777
01:02:38,789 --> 01:02:35,680
going these days is the audiobooks we've

1778
01:02:41,190 --> 01:02:38,799
taken a bunch of these esoteric classics

1779
01:02:43,750 --> 01:02:41,200
turn them into audio as narrated by

1780
01:02:45,750 --> 01:02:43,760
graham dunlop co-host degramerica does

1781
01:02:47,589 --> 01:02:45,760
the reading i do the editing

1782
01:02:49,670 --> 01:02:47,599
but we've got i think about 20 titles

1783
01:02:51,750 --> 01:02:49,680
available now and you can go to adult

1784
01:02:53,829 --> 01:02:51,760
brain dot ca that'll give you a list of

1785
01:02:56,710 --> 01:02:53,839
them all or if you go to like audible or

1786
01:02:58,630 --> 01:02:56,720
itunes and just type in graham dunlop or

1787
01:03:01,190 --> 01:02:58,640
grimerica they should all pop up as well

1788
01:03:03,589 --> 01:03:01,200
that includes my book a canadian shame

1789
01:03:05,430 --> 01:03:03,599
is available on audio same with the

1790
01:03:09,589 --> 01:03:05,440
secret teachings of all ages we did

1791
01:03:11,990 --> 01:03:09,599
that's about 35 hours by manly p hall

1792
01:03:14,309 --> 01:03:12,000
we've done all three of blavatsky's

1793
01:03:16,390 --> 01:03:14,319
secret doctrines secret doctrine one two

1794
01:03:17,510 --> 01:03:16,400
and three again they're about 35 hours

1795
01:03:19,349 --> 01:03:17,520
each

1796
01:03:21,670 --> 01:03:19,359
hamlet's mill which is a big one that

1797
01:03:23,510 --> 01:03:21,680
comes up a whole ton in these esoteric

1798
01:03:24,309 --> 01:03:23,520
circles wasn't available as an audio

1799
01:03:26,230 --> 01:03:24,319
book

1800
01:03:27,910 --> 01:03:26,240
we finally made that available as an

1801
01:03:30,390 --> 01:03:27,920
audio book

1802
01:03:32,390 --> 01:03:30,400
the unabomber manifesto we've got that

1803
01:03:34,470 --> 01:03:32,400
up there and just

1804
01:03:36,950 --> 01:03:34,480
basically we're going through all these

1805
01:03:38,710 --> 01:03:36,960
books written in the 1800s that you know

1806
01:03:40,230 --> 01:03:38,720
you'll probably never read

1807
01:03:42,069 --> 01:03:40,240
but if you could just listen to someone

1808
01:03:43,510 --> 01:03:42,079
else read it you might do it i mean i'm

1809
01:03:45,270 --> 01:03:43,520
never going to read the secret doctrine

1810
01:03:47,430 --> 01:03:45,280
but it's not so bad to listen to it read

1811
01:03:49,910 --> 01:03:47,440
to me

1812
01:03:52,789 --> 01:03:49,920
i like it that is awesome really making

1813
01:03:54,789 --> 01:03:52,799
uh a mark on the world you guys are and

1814
01:03:57,510 --> 01:03:54,799
trying very cool

1815
01:04:00,069 --> 01:03:57,520
yes as you're you sometimes

1816
01:04:02,069 --> 01:04:00,079
but congrats on getting a book done i

1817
01:04:04,230 --> 01:04:02,079
know it's not easy takes a lot of

1818
01:04:06,470 --> 01:04:04,240
discipline to say the least and you're

1819
01:04:09,029 --> 01:04:06,480
highlighting an important issue that

1820
01:04:11,430 --> 01:04:09,039
deserves the attention and great talking

1821
01:04:16,950 --> 01:04:11,440
to you again man take care out there

1822
01:04:21,589 --> 01:04:19,589
yes people my canadian podcasting

1823
01:04:23,190 --> 01:04:21,599
colleague from the north getting his

1824
01:04:26,710 --> 01:04:23,200
first book out

1825
01:04:28,789 --> 01:04:26,720
passing me by in so many ways

1826
01:04:31,750 --> 01:04:28,799
i kid i kid but it is a great

1827
01:04:33,190 --> 01:04:31,760
accomplishment and an important subject

1828
01:04:36,069 --> 01:04:33,200
that he seems

1829
01:04:38,950 --> 01:04:36,079
uniquely situated to cover

1830
01:04:40,870 --> 01:04:38,960
it's a perfect storm of heritage and an

1831
01:04:42,710 --> 01:04:40,880
understanding of how empire and its

1832
01:04:45,349 --> 01:04:42,720
cover-ups typically work through all

1833
01:04:47,109 --> 01:04:45,359
this conspiratorial exploration for

1834
01:04:49,589 --> 01:04:47,119
several years

1835
01:04:52,150 --> 01:04:49,599
and the reach and network that he's

1836
01:04:54,150 --> 01:04:52,160
built up from doing the show

1837
01:04:57,109 --> 01:04:54,160
and i'm glad he chose something so

1838
01:05:00,390 --> 01:04:57,119
specific and not often highlighted much

1839
01:05:02,549 --> 01:05:00,400
better than throwing together a pandemic

1840
01:05:05,349 --> 01:05:02,559
book as a lot of people are choosing to

1841
01:05:07,029 --> 01:05:05,359
do in the middle of the story

1842
01:05:09,430 --> 01:05:07,039
and i don't know if anyone noticed my

1843
01:05:11,349 --> 01:05:09,440
stupid mistake but when i was talking to

1844
01:05:14,309 --> 01:05:11,359
darren about his recent shows i

1845
01:05:16,309 --> 01:05:14,319
mentioned the one he did with k rubick

1846
01:05:20,710 --> 01:05:16,319
and for some reason even though the

1847
01:05:22,950 --> 01:05:20,720
topic read ccp i read cps and went on a

1848
01:05:25,029 --> 01:05:22,960
little rant about the very unrelated

1849
01:05:26,950 --> 01:05:25,039
child protective services

1850
01:05:29,990 --> 01:05:26,960
and he didn't even call me out on it

1851
01:05:34,309 --> 01:05:31,589
but i'm glad we could highlight this

1852
01:05:36,549 --> 01:05:34,319
scandal and contribute to its ongoing

1853
01:05:38,710 --> 01:05:36,559
exposure i'm sure many of us have heard

1854
01:05:40,069 --> 01:05:38,720
the headlines about these mass graves in

1855
01:05:42,630 --> 01:05:40,079
canada

1856
01:05:44,150 --> 01:05:42,640
but not a lot else so this was

1857
01:05:45,990 --> 01:05:44,160
informative

1858
01:05:48,230 --> 01:05:46,000
and i'm sure you can hear it in my voice

1859
01:05:51,829 --> 01:05:48,240
every time i talk to darren or graham

1860
01:05:54,069 --> 01:05:51,839
about how badly i wish i had a co-host

1861
01:05:56,870 --> 01:05:54,079
it's more in my nature to want to work

1862
01:05:58,630 --> 01:05:56,880
with friends than to work alone

1863
01:06:00,630 --> 01:05:58,640
and anyone who's been with the higher

1864
01:06:02,069 --> 01:06:00,640
side chat since the early days knows

1865
01:06:03,990 --> 01:06:02,079
that i tried

1866
01:06:06,309 --> 01:06:04,000
but if you feel like you're doing 80 of

1867
01:06:08,630 --> 01:06:06,319
the work eventually you just say well i

1868
01:06:10,390 --> 01:06:08,640
suppose i can do 100 since no one really

1869
01:06:12,069 --> 01:06:10,400
seems to care enough to read the guest's

1870
01:06:13,430 --> 01:06:12,079
book or prepare some questions in

1871
01:06:15,190 --> 01:06:13,440
advance

1872
01:06:17,430 --> 01:06:15,200
eventually you just say well this is

1873
01:06:19,589 --> 01:06:17,440
work and we don't often get everything

1874
01:06:21,270 --> 01:06:19,599
we want with work so

1875
01:06:22,789 --> 01:06:21,280
just do it

1876
01:06:24,630 --> 01:06:22,799
i probably would have been working at

1877
01:06:27,190 --> 01:06:24,640
gamestop a year or two longer if i had

1878
01:06:30,069 --> 01:06:27,200
to share the wealth anyway

1879
01:06:32,630 --> 01:06:30,079
but yes the rotating co-hosts went away

1880
01:06:35,270 --> 01:06:32,640
about as quickly as they came for thc

1881
01:06:37,349 --> 01:06:35,280
but the universe tends to unfold as it

1882
01:06:39,270 --> 01:06:37,359
should they say

1883
01:06:41,990 --> 01:06:39,280
and recording this episode with darren

1884
01:06:43,990 --> 01:06:42,000
is at least partly the catalyst for me

1885
01:06:47,670 --> 01:06:44,000
finally saying [\h__\h] it and doing a real

1886
01:06:50,470 --> 01:06:47,680
world meet up happening tonight actually

1887
01:06:52,470 --> 01:06:50,480
sunday september 19th at the tipsy crow

1888
01:06:55,990 --> 01:06:52,480
in san diego

1889
01:06:58,710 --> 01:06:56,000
could be two people there could be 20.

1890
01:07:01,190 --> 01:06:58,720
i have no idea how many locals would be

1891
01:07:03,589 --> 01:07:01,200
included in the larger thc audience and

1892
01:07:06,470 --> 01:07:03,599
i don't know how hungry people are for

1893
01:07:08,789 --> 01:07:06,480
any kind of meat space meetup either

1894
01:07:11,910 --> 01:07:08,799
but i'm excited for it i guess what has

1895
01:07:14,870 --> 01:07:11,920
always kept me cloistered away is the

1896
01:07:17,190 --> 01:07:14,880
few bad interactions that i've had

1897
01:07:19,430 --> 01:07:17,200
99 people out of 100 just want to say

1898
01:07:20,390 --> 01:07:19,440
hey love the show keep it up thanks for

1899
01:07:21,910 --> 01:07:20,400
doing it

1900
01:07:23,270 --> 01:07:21,920
and would be a pleasure to meet in

1901
01:07:24,870 --> 01:07:23,280
person

1902
01:07:26,710 --> 01:07:24,880
but then there's that one guy sending

1903
01:07:28,630 --> 01:07:26,720
you creepy pictures and saying he's

1904
01:07:29,910 --> 01:07:28,640
performing rituals to ruin your marriage

1905
01:07:31,270 --> 01:07:29,920
and win your heart

1906
01:07:32,470 --> 01:07:31,280
you don't want to share a beer with that

1907
01:07:34,230 --> 01:07:32,480
guy

1908
01:07:35,750 --> 01:07:34,240
although if he's good at magic maybe

1909
01:07:37,910 --> 01:07:35,760
eventually you do

1910
01:07:40,390 --> 01:07:37,920
but sometimes that all keeps you from

1911
01:07:42,309 --> 01:07:40,400
sharing a beer with anybody

1912
01:07:44,549 --> 01:07:42,319
even getting friendly with guests has

1913
01:07:46,470 --> 01:07:44,559
been a mixed bag i probably don't even

1914
01:07:48,549 --> 01:07:46,480
have to go into that too much for people

1915
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to come up with at least one big example

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of what i'm talking about

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i guess i just thought well if i keep my

1918
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head down and just do the show and keep

1919
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it professional with people rather than

1920
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personal

1921
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what can go wrong

1922
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and nothing has gone wrong but another

1923
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question is what might i be missing by

1924
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doing that what could go right

1925
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and the times have changed the culture

1926
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has changed and i'm sure a lot of our

1927
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priorities have changed as well

1928
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so let's step into the unknown and see

1929
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how it goes

1930
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besides it seems like i'm going to have

1931
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alex zacaris and sofia small storm there

1932
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to keep me

1933
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company but i guess i won't really know

1934
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till i'm there

1935
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and hopefully we will have more

1936
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hopefully i can set up a calendar type

1937
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system where people can host their own

1938
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meetups across the country and find the

1939
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others and maybe i show up to those once

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in a while

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so don't feel like you're missing out

1942
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either way big thanks to darren of

1943
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course you know how it goes around here

1944
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first hour of the show is free second

1945
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hours for the supporters and we added a

1946
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lot to the stack in the second hour

1947
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today talked about graham's new show the

1948
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indian in the room talked about his

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thoughts on the spiritual and religious

1950
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rituals and beliefs that were lost

1951
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the intentionally introducing disease

1952
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aspect of these sorts of things the 60s

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scoop

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the missing and murdered indigenous

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women of canada

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and a little shooting the [\h__\h] about

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podcasting a fun and educational time

1958
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sign up for plus if you like what i do

1959
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and want twice as much of it

1960
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as well as this huge archive of second

1961
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hours that you've missed

1962
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and a big thanks to those who are

1963
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already plus members couldn't do it

1964
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without you

1965
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i wanted to get one more show out before

1966
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the meet-up so i'm glad i did but i am

1967
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gonna get out of here i got somewhere to

1968
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be for once and i've done my part your

1969
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move canadian cover-uppers scandal

1970
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suppressors and agents of the empire

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your

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[\h__\h] move

1973
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have a drink in the smoke

1974
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listen to the cast

1975
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we shine a shiny spotlight

1976
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but criminals on blast

1977
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the pinstripe men of mourning

1978
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and families of finance

1979
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dupont windsor and rothschild

1980
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the kids don't stand a chance

1981
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the kids don't

1982
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stand a chance

1983
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i said the kids don't

1984
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the kids don't stand the kids don't

1985
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stand a chance

1986
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we're looking for the answers

1987
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to questions never asked

1988
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so we come to the cartwood

1989
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for the higher side chats

1990
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the pinstripe men of mourning

1991
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and families of finance

1992
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dupont windsor and rothschild

1993
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the kids don't stand a chance

1994
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the kids don't

1995
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stand a chance

1996
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i say the kids don't

1997
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the kids don't stand the kids don't

1998
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stand a chance

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[Music]

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involved in shady business

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we try to get a glance

2002
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we're working on the numbers

2003
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resistance must advance

2004
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the pinstriper men of mourning

2005
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and families of finance

2006
01:11:54,390 --> 01:11:51,040
dupont windsor and rothschild

2007
01:11:56,070 --> 01:11:54,400
the kids don't stand a chance

2008
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the kids don't

2009
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stand a chance

2010
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i said the kids don't

2011
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the kids don't stand the kids don't

2012
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stand a chance

2013
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the kids don't

2014
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stand a chance

2015
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i said the kids don't